NO SANCHEZ AT 13

[UK_Skinfan]

This will be Campbells 2nd season with Zorn and I just think its fair to all parties to have one more season, we looked pretty good at the beginning of last season, we fell away due to many reasons, wear and tear to our O line being one of them.  There will always be people shouting for the QB's head when things go wrong, thats life but if Campbell or Zorn dont cut the Mustard this coming season then BOTH will be gone. 

We need to build with what we have not swap and change at QB and start with a new QB who is new to the system, wco or not. 

The franchise is in a tight spot owing to too few Draft picks and an ageing Team, that is due to chasing the "sexy"  players and throwing money at the quick option, that doesnt work! It takes time to build a winning compettetive Team and a sound Rosta.  It will take time through the Draft and through FA not by giving up your picks for Star players who dont deliver the goods.

A move for Sanchez just doesnt make sence to me, we need players on both sides of the Line, weve invested so much in JC and thats why I think he deserves to be Starter next season.  I doubt if Sanchez would have done any better behind our O line of last year.  If Campbell doesnt produce then he gets the Bullet. 

What do you think Dan snyder will be doing during next years FA?  Theres going to be some busy Agents trying to get into Snyders ear, you can bet on that.  No Cap, Snyders Millions - It aint Rocket Science....

"Sexy pick"= another regurgitation...coming from Stwasm this time

What "Sexy pick" left the team with a lack of draft picks this season?...I am not sure but I think that we are lacking draft picks because of the signing of a DE and maybe a lineman or two (some forced by injuries and FA's leaving). I do not think they are characterized as  "sexy picks". Stop living in the Dionne Sanders days, these things happened so long ago that I forgot we even had some of those guys on our team.

I am not going to knock the FO for drafting Thomas, Kelly nor Davis (sexy picks) last year because a year or two from now we will be saying how great these guys are and how happy we are to have them on our team....being hypocritical from what we are saying now.

Like I said, whether the FO decides to go forward with Campbell or make a move to get Sanchez, I will fully support the decision because I do respect what they do and feel that they are professionals dedicated to making the team better, no matter the cost and are better than most people want to give them credit for being.

Will Mr.Snyder get some players in the non-capped season?....Yes, please do Mr. Snyder do whatever it takes to get the team back to the Superbowl....I hope that he don't be somewhere twiddling his thumbs while the rest of the NFL are getting better.

I said "Sexy" Players, because Im telling it how I see it, not how someone ellse sees it so if im in agreement with others so be it. 

What would we have given for Cutler?  what would we have given for Chad johnson??  What will we have to give up for Sanchez??  You get my drift here now??  You have your view I have mine!  This is a Forum where opinions are shared, not all will agree but we dont have to agree all the time, and we all certainly dont have to agree with you.

By the way I do think Thomas, Kelly and Davis will step up this coming season, I have faith in all three.  I am also looking forward to Mr Snyder doing his thing during the next FA and aquiring players, that wont hurt our Draft picks by trading them away, and ultimately bringing the Super Bowl win we are all waiting for!

There are things that the FO have done that Im not happy with and there will be things that they do again but Im behind my team 100% who ever is wearing the Burgundy & Gold will get my full backing through thick and thin.  Just like the last 25 years or so. 

Keep the Faith Dr Jump, I know I will be.

[Dr. Jumpshot]

I said "Sexy" Players, because Im telling it how I see it, not how someone ellse sees it so if im in agreement with others so be it. 

What would we have given for Cutler?  what would we have given for Chad johnson??  What will we have to give up for Sanchez??  You get my drift here now??  You have your view I have mine!  This is a Forum where opinions are shared, not all will agree but we dont have to agree all the time, and we all certainly dont have to agree with you.

By the way I do think Thomas, Kelly and Davis will step up this coming season, I have faith in all three.  I am also looking forward to Mr Snyder doing his thing during the next FA and aquiring players, that wont hurt our Draft  picks by trading them away, and ultimately bringing the Super Bowl win we are all waiting for!

There are things that the FO have done that Im not happy with and there will be things that they do again but Im behind my team 100% who ever is wearing the Burgundy & Gold will get my full backing through thick and thin.  Just like the last 25 years or so. 

Keep the Faith Dr Jump, I know I will be.

  ....OH NO, not the "we do not have to agree with you" card....LOL...the biggest no,no on discussion boards!!

I do keep the faith and try to give a FO who has been doing nothing but trying to get the team righted by any means necessary,the benefit of the doubt without always bashing them for everything that they do. I hear more bashing from fans than I do the media

What would've ,What could've, What should've ...Whatever it was ...What would've been the outcome with any of those guys? Who knows?....it didn't happpen...We  cried about Haynesworth, cried about the Peppers possibility, cried about Hall before last season until we picked him up and now we love him.

Your opinion may be to bash every move and mine is to counter act the bashing because I happen to like the guys and appreciate what they do.

Show me where I said to "agree with me"...I stated mine, I never said agree because I could care less, it's my opinion and I stated it.

Kiper even says that it would not be a bad move and doesn't necessarily mean that Jason has to go because Sanchez is drafted...he say's that someone needs to be there to light a fire under Jason. "Sanchez can take over in 3-4 years" although the possibility of Sanchez going to Washington has gotten very slim because now Seattle wants him at 4 and he could go as high as 2.

What a coop it would've been for our great FO to pull off getting the 2nd best player in the draft after getting the top ranked free agent!!

[redskin_ty]

This will be Campbells 2nd season with Zorn and I just think its fair to all parties to have one more season, we looked pretty good at the beginning of last season, we fell away due to many reasons, wear and tear to our O line being one of them.  There will always be people shouting for the QB's head when things go wrong, thats life but if Campbell or Zorn dont cut the Mustard this coming season then BOTH will be gone. 

We need to build with what we have not swap and change at QB and start with a new QB who is new to the system, wco or not. 

The franchise is in a tight spot owing to too few Draft picks and an ageing Team, that is due to chasing the "sexy"  players and throwing money at the quick option, that doesnt work! It takes time to build a winning compettetive Team and a sound Rosta.  It will take time through the Draft and through FA not by giving up your picks for Star players who dont deliver the goods.

A move for Sanchez just doesnt make sence to me, we need players on both sides of the Line, weve invested so much in JC and thats why I think he deserves to be Starter next season.  I doubt if Sanchez would have done any better behind our O line of last year.  If Campbell doesnt produce then he gets the Bullet. 

What do you think Dan snyder will be doing during next years FA?  Theres going to be some busy Agents trying to get into Snyders ear, you can bet on that.  No Cap, Snyders Millions - It aint Rocket Science....

You are absouletly right that we started off great last year at 6-2.  That was with Jason Campbell at QB without throwing an INT till probaly the seventh game.  If you block for him he will be good enough for us to win at least 10 games.  Jason is not a 400 yard passing QB.  He is a QB that does not lose you games but will manage the game.  We need to build our line play on both sides of the ball.  On the oline you saw the collapse of the line towards the end of the season and getting another QB is not going to help us out.  By picking up Dockery that takes care of the left guard position and what we need is a good young right tackle.  On the defensive side we need to get push and Haynesworth should answer that then we cannot go wrong with Orakapo.  Sanchez is not going to help us at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   

[Dr. Jumpshot]

The thing is that Jason is going to be our QB, I accept that and hope that he prospers and he has my full support... Sanchez will probably be in Seattle....WCO, right?

What I do not understand is most of us are saying is 'if he continues to play as he has been playing (which is highly possible and more than likely because he is who he is) that he should be let go next season'  . This shows no more confidence in him than the FO have shown by going and feeling out FA QB's or QB's in the draft this season. Whether it be this season or next, if he is to be replaced for displaying the skills or lack there of that he has shown throughout his career, the team will still have to use the same resources (Picks or whatever) to make a change only one year later. UNLESS Snyder does something in the uncapped year, which "we" do not want either.

One rookie O-linemen will not make the line that much better if it is as bad as we say it is but we will be ready to sacrifice a lineman next season when we may not be in the position to get a young  QB such as Sanchez....AND it is not a given that with the 13th pick that we will even take a O-lineman...Hell most fans want Orapko ( A friggin DE), I would love to see him block for Campbell ..what in the heck is that gonna do for Campbell!!?

Maybe the FO was trying to be proactive rather than being reactive, in case Campbell is the Campbell (average)who we have seen for the past 4 years....It is very possible that the FO knows a wee bit more than we know. Like Kiper implied, if Campbell goes out and does his job, he should not be concerned about a Sanchez.

That O-line BS is just what it is, BS,  Ben Roethlisberger worked with a decimated line last season and a lot worse RB than we had....Did he not lose Whisenhunt and Grimm? ...Make the throws this season Jason!!

[AlexandertheGreatestFANEV]

I said "Sexy" Players, because Im telling it how I see it, not how someone ellse sees it so if im in agreement with others so be it. 

What would we have given for Cutler?  what would we have given for Chad johnson??  What will we have to give up for Sanchez??  You get my drift here now??  You have your view I have mine!  This is a Forum where opinions are shared, not all will agree but we dont have to agree all the time, and we all certainly dont have to agree with you.

By the way I do think Thomas, Kelly and Davis will step up this coming season, I have faith in all three.  I am also looking forward to Mr Snyder doing his thing during the next FA and aquiring players, that wont hurt our Draft  picks by trading them away, and ultimately bringing the Super Bowl win we are all waiting for!

There are things that the FO have done that Im not happy with and there will be things that they do again but Im behind my team 100% who ever is wearing the Burgundy & Gold will get my full backing through thick and thin.  Just like the last 25 years or so. 

Keep the Faith Dr Jump, I know I will be.

  ....OH NO, not the "we do not have to agree with you" card....LOL...the biggest no,no on discussion boards!!

I do keep the faith and try to give a FO who has been doing nothing but trying to get the team righted by any means necessary,the benefit of the doubt without always bashing them for everything that they do. I hear more bashing from fans than I do the media

What would've ,What could've, What should've ...Whatever it was ...What would've been the outcome with any of those guys? Who knows?....it didn't happpen...We  cried about Haynesworth, cried about the Peppers possibility, cried about Hall before last season until we picked him up and now we love him.

Your opinion may be to bash every move and mine is to counter act the bashing because I happen to like the guys and appreciate what they do.

Show me where I said to "agree with me"...I stated mine, I never said agree because I could care less, it's my opinion and I stated it.

Kiper even says that it would not be a bad move and doesn't necessarily mean that Jason has to go because Sanchez is drafted...he say's that someone needs to be there to light a fire under Jason. "Sanchez can take over in 3-4 years" although the possibility of Sanchez going to Washington has gotten very slim because now Seattle wants him at 4 and he could go as high as 2.

What a coop it would've been for our great FO to pull off getting the 2nd best player in the draft after getting the top ranked free agent!!

Jumpshot, on this site and in this forum EVERYONE had their own say and opinion. Not everyone here likes Snyder and not everyone here has to agree with not being concerned about the o-line and QB because of a team like Pittsburgh (which we are NOT). We, including myself, agree that the FO is trying to help the team win, but they haven't been doing it correctly. Furthermore, all I was saying earlier was that most teams in the NFL turn to the draft and get young blood and depth at needy spots, which eventually helps them to become competitive. This has happened for teams such as the Steelers, Falcons, Ravens, and it could happen for the Cheifs and other teams who have struggled. If the FO can realize this and implement it, we would be better off for the future.

[Dr. Jumpshot]

Jumpshot, on this site and in this forum EVERYONE had their own say and opinion. Not everyone here likes Snyder and not everyone here has to agree with not being concerned about the o-line and QB because of a team like Pittsburgh (which we are NOT). We, including myself, agree that the FO is trying to help the team win, but they haven't been doing it correctly. Furthermore, all I was saying earlier was that most teams in the NFL turn to the draft and get young blood and depth at needy spots, which eventually helps them to become competitive. This has happened for teams such as the Steelers, Falcons, Ravens, and it could happen for the Cheifs and other teams who have struggled. If the FO can realize this and implement it, we would be better off for the future.

Alex puuulease, you are newer to "this" site and "forum" than I ever will be so do not go there with me.

As a matter of fact when you were trying to jump off the bandwagon last season and go to another team,I boosted your new butt back on so do not come at me like that.

Opinions work both ways so stop flexing what you do not have....you all stated your disdain for Snyder and the FO and I stated my support for them...point blank!!..."your own say and opinion" and mine...I did not try to discourage your opinion but I did,in fact counter-reply with mine so do not try to hit me with the "this site" thing.

I give none about what board it is, people have points and counter points and all should be welcome....If you have a come back just come back wit' it but DO NOT try to tell me how to come...Mine was to the point that I am making and I would think that yours would follow suite without trying to tell me what to say or how to say it, whether it's for or against Snyder or the FO, for or against other teams in the league performances or players in the league as compared to ours...it doesn't matter as long as the point is made without disrespect and disrespect is not equal to disagreeing.

"Furthermore" we had a butt load of draft picks last season and got some well needed talent and will more than likely have a butt load more in seasons to come so I (myself not caring what anyone else does) am going to relax on the panic mode everytime a name comes up and let the FO do what it do while commenting like Dr. J want to comment while hoping that every other fan on trufan.com does the same with their own assertion and willingness to speak out about their team while not having to be dictated about their opinion or fear falling outside of the group think or cliques that most of these message boards become a part of after a while.

[Dr. Jumpshot]

Thanks Miss Dirty, I do not  know why you erased your post but you have every right to post your opinion

[UK_Skinfan]

Just a couple of quwstions,

How many picks have we in the Draft? 

Do we need another QB as a back up?

It just seems to me that to use a pick on another QB would be a wasted one (especially if hes going to be a non Starter for 3 or 4 years)  we have greater needs at the moment and maybe by adding youth, strength and depth we will in return see a better return of results and better production from our Offense.

JC deserves the right to show what he can do and like I said he will be judged on what he has done during the season at the end of the season.  JC has a point to prove and in a way he could well do that and still not be with us after next season, that choice could be his and not the FO's

Dr jump  we do have holes to fill but QB isnt a priority, a need or a must we will need to bring fresh blood into our O line though and if we dont get a Stud lineman who can start from the off then maybe a LB or DE would be better off being our #13 pick.  Like you said lets see what the FO do, which ever way they decide to roll im going to be behind them.  Danny & Vinny are only Human and we all make mistakes, its not making them again that counts.

Keep the Faith.

 

[AlexandertheGreatestFANEV]

Jumpshot, on this site and in this forum EVERYONE had their own say and opinion. Not everyone here likes Snyder and not everyone here has to agree with not being concerned about the o-line and QB because of a team like Pittsburgh (which we are NOT). We, including myself, agree that the FO is trying to help the team win, but they haven't been doing it correctly. Furthermore, all I was saying earlier was that most teams in the NFL turn to the draft and get young blood and depth at needy spots, which eventually helps them to become competitive. This has happened for teams such as the Steelers, Falcons, Ravens, and it could happen for the Cheifs and other teams who have struggled. If the FO can realize this and implement it, we would be better off for the future.

Alex puuulease, you are newer to "this" site and "forum" than I ever will be so do not go there with me.

As a matter of fact when you were trying to jump off the bandwagon last season and go to another team,I boosted your new butt back on so do not come at me like that.

Opinions work both ways so stop flexing what you do not have....you all stated your disdain for Snyder and the FO and I stated my support for them...point blank!!..."your own say and opinion" and mine...I did not try to discourage your opinion but I did,in fact counter-reply with mine so do not try to hit me with the "this site" thing.

I give none about what board it is, people have points and counter points and all should be welcome....If you have a come back just come back wit' it but DO NOT try to tell me how to come...Mine was to the point that I am making and I would think that yours would follow suite without trying to tell me what to say or how to say it, whether it's for or against Snyder or the FO, for or against other teams in the league performances or players in the league as compared to ours...it doesn't matter as long as the point is made without disrespect and disrespect is not equal to disagreeing.

"Furthermore" we had a butt load of draft picks last season and got some well needed talent and will more than likely have a butt load more in seasons to come so I (myself not caring what anyone else does) am going to relax on the panic mode everytime a name comes up and let the FO do what it do while commenting like Dr. J want to comment while hoping that every other fan on trufan.com does the same with their own assertion and willingness to speak out about their team while not having to be dictated about their opinion or fear falling outside of the group think or cliques that most of these message boards become a part of after a while.

Jumpshot, there are quite a few false claims in your post. First off, I NEVER was in the position of "jumping off the bandwagon." Secondly, you say I'm a newer member YET I have a higher status on the forums and have posted MANY more times. Finally, I am very aware that people have their opinions and lean in particular directions, and I wasn't trying to DICTATE anyone's thoughts.

More to the point, it is obvious that owning and managing a team correctly is EXTREMELY difficult. I'm not sure I'd want to do it myself. I'm sure Danny and Vinny's choices with the team are made with good intentions, but over this current decade we've shot ourselves in the foot with washed-up FA signings and haven't placed enough emphasis on young talent. Based on that, I can't put my faith in them, even though I will ALWAYS support the TEAM. I also know that there comes a time when the players we have need to step up, and I firmly believe that unless that happens, we will continue to be mediocre. To conclude, I never said I was pressing the panic button. The draft hasn't even occured yet, Jumpshot, and we are a LONG way away from the season. Anyway, this is MY personal outlook on the team since I've started watching them. I am aware of their fine history, but those days are over. I also keep myself informed on legit sports sites and TV channels, so I know my S***, Jumpshot. I request that you not act like I don't.

[AlexandertheGreatestFANEV]

Just a couple of quwstions,

How many picks have we in the Draft? 

Do we need another QB as a back up?

It just seems to me that to use a pick on another QB would be a wasted one (especially if hes going to be a non Starter for 3 or 4 years)  we have greater needs at the moment and maybe by adding youth, strength and depth we will in return see a better return of results and better production from our Offense.

JC deserves the right to show what he can do and like I said he will be judged on what he has done during the season at the end of the season.  JC has a point to prove and in a way he could well do that and still not be with us after next season, that choice could be his and not the FO's

Dr jump  we do have holes to fill but QB isnt a priority, a need or a must we will need to bring fresh blood into our O line though and if we dont get a Stud lineman who can start from the off then maybe a LB or DE would be better off being our #13 pick.  Like you said lets see what the FO do, which ever way they decide to roll im going to be behind them.  Danny & Vinny are only Human and we all make mistakes, its not making them again that counts.

Keep the Faith.

 

Well said, UK. I agree with you.

[redskin_ty]

Just a couple of quwstions,

How many picks have we in the Draft? 

Do we need another QB as a back up?

It just seems to me that to use a pick on another QB would be a wasted one (especially if hes going to be a non Starter for 3 or 4 years)  we have greater needs at the moment and maybe by adding youth, strength and depth we will in return see a better return of results and better production from our Offense.

JC deserves the right to show what he can do and like I said he will be judged on what he has done during the season at the end of the season.  JC has a point to prove and in a way he could well do that and still not be with us after next season, that choice could be his and not the FO's

Dr jump  we do have holes to fill but QB isnt a priority, a need or a must we will need to bring fresh blood into our O line though and if we dont get a Stud lineman who can start from the off then maybe a LB or DE would be better off being our #13 pick.  Like you said lets see what the FO do, which ever way they decide to roll im going to be behind them.  Danny & Vinny are only Human and we all make mistakes, its not making them again that counts.

Keep the Faith.

Could have not said it any better.   Sanchez would be a waste of a pick

[Miss Dirty 30]

Thanks Miss Dirty, I do not  know why you erased your post but you have every right to post your opinion

I added more to the post then decided to delete it. I've gone on record saying Jason Campbell maybe nice guy and all. Imho he's not the answer at qb in the WCO. I find it utterly ridiculous to blame the o-line for a majority for JC's shortcomings.The qb can make the o line look just as bad as the o line can make a qb look bad.It works both ways.
 
However I'm not sold on Sanchez either.

[Miss Dirty 30]

It just seems to me that to use a pick on another QB would be a wasted one (especially if hes going to be a non Starter for 3 or 4 years)  we have greater needs at the moment and maybe by adding youth, strength and depth we will in return see a better return of results and better production from our Offense.

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Agreed

JC deserves the right to show what he can do and like I said he will be judged on what he has done during the season at the end of the season.  JC has a point to prove and in a way he could well do that and still not be with us after next season, that choice could be his and not the FO's

I think there should be a qb competition WHOEVER the qb's maybe.The best PLAYER should WIN the starting title at every position.
Except 2007 when Todd Collins came in when JC was hurt.We've had a LOSING record with JC as starter.So does it really matter who the qb is? 8-8 is losing just as 5-11 is losing.

Sorry I don't think it should take trade rumors to light a fire under your ass. I would think JC (as well as the rest of the players)should've had something to prove since the day he made the team (made it to the NFL) If he has a breakout season this year and decided to leave then I wouldn't be mad at the F.O. JC has a LOSING record as starter why would I tie up millions of dollars in someone who has yet to having a winning season and  lead the team into the playoffs? That would be crazy. Will JC settle for a contract that isn't Kurt Warner,Donovan Mc Nabb money? Imho even if he played lights out this year he  doesn't  deserve that kind of money for 1 good year out of 4. This would be up there with overpaying Deion,Bruce etc. except I could justify those decisions as they had SEVERAL years of  being successful and I would rather pay a proven winner over a 1 year wonder.

 

We do have holes to fill but QB isnt a priority, a need or a must we will need to bring fresh blood into our O line though and if we dont get a Stud lineman who can start from the off then maybe a LB or DE would be better off being our #13 pick.  Like you said lets see what the FO do, which ever way they decide to roll im going to be behind them.  Danny & Vinny are only Human and we all make mistakes, its not making them again that counts.

Keep the Faith.

If the O line is a putrid as everyone claims the wouldn't it take more than 1 stud rookie O lineman to right the ship???  I'd rather spend the 1st pick on the defense with Rey Maualuga or even Everette Brown.I could see them coming in and having an immediate impact.But I'll support whatever the F.O decides whether I agree with it or not.

We as human beings have made mistakes more than once in alot of instances before we got the message/lesson. As long as we continue to strive to become better is all we can realistically hope for.

[redskin_ty]

orakapo it is