NO SANCHEZ AT 13

[redskin_ty]

I have been reading that we are going to pick Sanchez at 13.  What the hell, we need help at both sides of the ball and forget Sanchez that means we will be starting all over at QB and with the players we have, that is not going to help us now.  If anything we need to be moving up and getting Orakapo around the 6th pick!!!!!We all now if we pick Sanchez that will be that Vinny Cerrato making that pick.  How does he keep his job???

[Hitman21]

I haven't heard that.....where did you hear that at?    I would hope that isn't true. I couldn't agree more with you that  we do not need mr Sanchez. we need a LB's or a OT not QB. if this is coming from BSPN or Adam the SKINS HATER Schefter I'm sure it's not true .

[stwasm]

I haven't heard that.....where did you hear that at?    I would hope that isn't true. I couldn't agree more with you that  we do not need mr Sanchez. we need a LB's or a OT not QB. if this is coming from BSPN or Adam the SKINS HATER Schefter I'm sure it's not true .

Hitman, it's been mentioned on ESPN, a few mock drafts, Mel Kiper and Jason LaCranfora.  RTY, you're right.  We need to find a replacement for Jon Jansen and/or build some depth on the o-line.  We don't have a pash-rusher at defensive end that scares opponents.  And we don't have a proven strong-side linebacker.  So what does the front office want to do?  DRAFT A QUARTERBACK!  BRILLIANT!   

[AlexandertheGreatestFANEV]

I haven't heard that.....where did you hear that at?    I would hope that isn't true. I couldn't agree more with you that  we do not need mr Sanchez. we need a LB's or a OT not QB. if this is coming from BSPN or Adam the SKINS HATER Schefter I'm sure it's not true .

Hitman, it's been mentioned on ESPN, a few mock drafts, Mel Kiper and Jason LaCranfora.  RTY, you're right.  We need to find a replacement for Jon Jansen and/or build some depth on the o-line.  We don't have a pash-rusher at defensive end that scares opponents.  And we don't have a proven strong-side linebacker.  So what does the front office want to do?  DRAFT A QUARTERBACK!  BRILLIANT!   

Guys, I also heard this on ESPN and the analysts said it was just speculation meant to scare Campbell into taking the lead and doing his job better. That's also why there was talk about Cutler. I am with you guys in thinking that it would be STUPID to go after a QB when we are trying to implement yet another offense and when we have greater needs such as the lines. However, I also think that all of this talk may cause Campbell to work a little harder and fight for his starting job, especially in camp. All the same, I think it's best to ignore the talk now with the draft coming next week. We'll never know until it actually happens.

[redskin_ty]

we need to get Orakapo.  I think that guy is going to be a beast.  He will not be there at 13 but if somehow get to at least 6 or 7 I think that we can get him.  If not Orakapo who do we get?

[Dr. Jumpshot]

I haven't heard that.....where did you hear that at?    I would hope that isn't true. I couldn't agree more with you that  we do not need mr Sanchez. we need a LB's or a OT not QB. if this is coming from BSPN or Adam the SKINS HATER Schefter I'm sure it's not true .

Hitman, it's been mentioned on ESPN, a few mock drafts, Mel Kiper and Jason LaCranfora.  RTY, you're right.  We need to find a replacement for Jon Jansen and/or build some depth on the o-line.  We don't have a pash-rusher at defensive end that scares opponents.  And we don't have a proven strong-side linebacker.  So what does the front office want to do?  DRAFT A QUARTERBACK!  BRILLIANT!   

The thing is with our fans is we complain when we are stagnant with 8-8 records each and every year and then we complain when moves are made or said to be forthcoming that could help us improve. I am beginning to believe that it has nothing to do with Vinny or Danny but maybe we just love to complain.

Drafting Sanchez (not just any old QB) would make plenty of sense if we were able to get him, firstly because if the team continues to go 8-8 or 9-7, which Campbell is capable of leading the team to but maybe not beyond that record, we will more than likely not be in a position to get a QB with Sanchez's potential for quite sometime.Unless we bench Campbell in favor of Brennan and have a losing record, think how loud we would cry then.

Second, if the linemen available at 13, who I know have been thoroughly scouted, are not ones who are projected to be someone who can help the team in a way that a pick that high should help, why waste a pick on him when we can get a better value pick in a later round?...We have to rationalize instead of finding something to be angry about.

Campbell is an okay QB but when should we start to want to be better than okay?...Popular player aside, football is a team sport and it is about putting together the correct pieces in order to make the team better and it just doesn't seem that Campbell is the right player for that piece of the puzzle. It hasn't been all the O-line fault and I think that people in the organization are very aware of that. If it is about popularity to the fans, we should just be ready to embrace the, possible new guy, get pictures with him and gain admiration for him just like we did the guys who doesn't work out.

It isn't just a report from J La who wants to get fans in frenzies nor should we get into frenzies everytime a player is reported to be of interest to the team, that ludicrous! Snyder's interest in Sanchez is news that has been reported by every sports venue out there and it is very possible that he can be a member of the Redskins come next week.

And to all of the "we can't win with our line" proponents...There was one O-line worse than ours last season and that O-line belonged to the World Champion Pittsburgh Steelers.

[Dr. Jumpshot]

we need to get Orakapo.  I think that guy is going to be a beast.  He will not be there at 13 but if somehow get to at least 6 or 7 I think that we can get him.  If not Orakapo who do we get?

I would not hold my breathe for Orapko because he will more than likely be gone if we stay at 13 and trading up for him would not be logical because of the Wynn and Daniels moves. He is a very good player but the Redskins will have a top ten defense without him therefore a move that drastic is not necessary.

I do not think that Orapko is a once in a blue moon type of talent and we could probably get a DE in next years draft who would be just as good. I think that the only 2 players who we should move up for would be Curry or Sanchez.

If we can not get either of them, I think that moving down would be a better decision so we can get more bodies in this year's draft.

I think that a check list of what we have done so far this off season, what is still needed, who should be available to best help the team at 13 and who is worth a trade down to get would go something like this...

Addressed-DT (Haynesworth), CB (Hall)

Needs -OLB , OT and DE

Best fit with the pick-Brian Cushing, Everette Brown (Probably would be the best pick for his ability to play both OLB and DE ala Marcus Washington) and Andre Smith

Worth a trade down- Curry and Sanchez (Actually moving ahead in a lot of cases than Stafford as the best projected QB in this year's draft... if we can get him, we should jump all over it)

[stwasm]

I haven't heard that.....where did you hear that at?    I would hope that isn't true. I couldn't agree more with you that  we do not need mr Sanchez. we need a LB's or a OT not QB. if this is coming from BSPN or Adam the SKINS HATER Schefter I'm sure it's not true .

Hitman, it's been mentioned on ESPN, a few mock drafts, Mel Kiper and Jason LaCranfora.  RTY, you're right.  We need to find a replacement for Jon Jansen and/or build some depth on the o-line.  We don't have a pash-rusher at defensive end that scares opponents.  And we don't have a proven strong-side linebacker.  So what does the front office want to do?  DRAFT A QUARTERBACK!  BRILLIANT!   

The thing is with our fans is we complain when we are stagnant with 8-8 records each and every year and then we complain when moves are made or said to be forthcoming that could help us improve. I am beginning to believe that it has nothing to do with Vinny or Danny but maybe we just love to complain.

Drafting Sanchez (not just any old QB) would make plenty of sense if we were able to get him, firstly because if the team continues to go 8-8 or 9-7, which Campbell is capable of leading the team to but maybe not beyond that record, we will more than likely not be in a position to get a QB with Sanchez's potential for quite sometime.Unless we bench Campbell in favor of Brennan and have a losing record, think how loud we would cry then.

Second, if the linemen available at 13, who I know have been thoroughly scouted, are not ones who are projected to be someone who can help the team in a way that a pick that high should help, why waste a pick on him when we can get a better value pick in a later round?...We have to rationalize instead of finding something to be angry about.

Campbell is an okay QB but when should we start to want to be better than okay?...Popular player aside, football is a team sport and it is about putting together the correct pieces in order to make the team better and it just doesn't seem that Campbell is the right player for that piece of the puzzle. It hasn't been all the O-line fault and I think that people in the organization are very aware of that. If it is about popularity to the fans, we should just be ready to embrace the, possible new guy, get pictures with him and gain admiration for him just like we did the guys who doesn't work out.

It isn't just a report from J La who wants to get fans in frenzies nor should we get into frenzies everytime a player is reported to be of interest to the team, that ludicrous! Snyder's interest in Sanchez is news that has been reported by every sports venue out there and it is very possible that he can be a member of the Redskins come next week.

And to all of the "we can't win with our line" proponents...There was one O-line worse than ours last season and that O-line belonged to the World Champion Pittsburgh Steelers.

But, are you happy with 8-8 records every year?  That's mediocrity and far from being a sign of a successful sports franchise.  I might add that the team has gone 74-86 since Danny took over and started focusing more on "superstars" and "sexy picks" instead of building a strong team with depth through the draft.   

Drafting Sanchez would make absolutely no sense when he's never run the WCO, when he'd have to get used to the pro game, when he'd only have two proven receivers to throw to and when he'd have to play behind an aging, injury-prone offensive line.  Mississippi State tackle Michael Oher would make the most sense here -- assuming Brian Orakpo doesn't fall this far -- as he could step in for Jon Jansen. 

You talk about value picks later on in the draft.  Given that we only have five picks in the entire draft, we don't have the luxury of taking a skill-position player.  While they may not be the "sexiest" positions in the world, we need to once and for all focus on the lines and get younger and faster players to compliment the guys already here.   

[Dr. Jumpshot]

But, are you happy with 8-8 records every year?  That's mediocrity and far from being a sign of a successful sports franchise.  I might add that the team has gone 74-86 since Danny took over and started focusing more on "superstars" and "sexy picks" instead of building a strong team with depth through the draft.   

Drafting Sanchez would make absolutely no sense when he's never run the WCO, when he'd have to get used to the pro game, when he'd only have two proven receivers to throw to and when he'd have to play behind an aging, injury-prone offensive line.  Mississippi State tackle Michael Oher would make the most sense here -- assuming Brian Orakpo doesn't fall this far -- as he could step in for Jon Jansen. 

You talk about value picks later on in the draft.  Given that we only have five picks in the entire draft, we don't have the luxury of taking a skill-position player.  While they may not be the "sexiest" positions in the world, we need to once and for all focus on the lines and get younger and faster players to compliment the guys already here.   

Never said that I was happy with the finishes but given the fact that Campbell is more apt to lead us to more seasons with the same results than not, I would be more than happy to get a QB who can possibly change that trend even if it takes a year or two rather than keep making up excuses for the same one year after year.

Do you think that every QB who have mastered the WCO had prior experience running it or because some may have ran it in college it would mean instant success in the pros?...What player at any position would not have to get use to the pro game?...How much do you think that ONE linemen would improve the average age of the O-line?...Did we really run a WCO last season or was it a modified version?

Oher's stock is dropping like a ton of bricks so there has to be a reason for that....should we draft him at 13 just to sit on the bench beside Rhinehart?

I wouldn't be adversed to getting the right lineman because we definitely need it but there is plenty of factors to weigh in before just picking a position rather than who is best to help the team not only this season but in the long run.

Are you just looking at #13?...how 'bout Jamon Meredith out of South Carolina who we may be able to get later  who is #8 at his position (OT)?...Phil Loadholt #7, Oklahoma? Fenuki Tupou #10. Oregon?

It just doesn't stop with one draftee.

[UK_Skinfan]

Jason Campbell deserves another season and to be judged on that season.  If the pocket wasnt collapsing so easily at the end of last season then things may have changed regarding our assesment of JC.  One man doesnt make a Team but seems to get the majority of the blame.  Adding Michael Other to our O line would add depth at the very least, taking an O line man at #13 would do one thing, help our already beat up ageing O line. 

We have to have one eye on the 2010 Season because Danny can go out and sign who ever he wants for what ever position he wants due to it being a non Cap Season.   Will Dan Snyder bide his time and assess everything, and everyone, at the end of the season, to build his "Fantasy Team"  we will see.

Sanchez would be good trade Bait, and maybe that way we exchange with the Jets for pick #17 and we get #52 as well?  That way we still get a good 1st round pick and gain a 2nd rounder too.   Maybe getting Michael Other at #17 and at #52 we get C, Antoine Caldwell, of Alabama  or RT, Phil Loadholt, of Oklahoma  Now that would be a good trade in my eyes and more inportantly good work from our FO!

[Dr. Jumpshot]

Yeah yet another season to be judged and then another and then another...Maybe he was being judged in the last 4 seasons that he has been in Washington by the FO, maybe there was enough seen just like some of the fans have seen enough...Who's wrong, Who's right, Who knows?...I will trust the powers that be and understand the moves that they make because I know that they are in a better position than any of us to assess Jason's worth to the team. If they plan to move on with him or without him, I am cool with either decision because I know that there are pros and cons on both sides of the coin.

I just see more than one option at 13 or moves to be made by the team that can help the situation and a upgrade at QB happens to be one of the moves.... No one is blaming "only Jason", I just think, and I may be wrong, that Jason's departure is imminent so I would not de damn the front office for making a move to get a very good QB prospect rather  than to be stuck by waiting to see if Jason bombs or not...Too Risky

As far as Snyder and the non capped season is concerned, I think that we are victims of group think when it comes to predicting what he is going to do. We always hear the same babble and most of it is because we always regurgetate what someone else says but I am going to  give the man the benefit of the doubt and hope that he does what's best when that time comes.

[UK_Skinfan]

This will be Campbells 2nd season with Zorn and I just think its fair to all parties to have one more season, we looked pretty good at the beginning of last season, we fell away due to many reasons, wear and tear to our O line being one of them.  There will always be people shouting for the QB's head when things go wrong, thats life but if Campbell or Zorn dont cut the Mustard this coming season then BOTH will be gone. 

We need to build with what we have not swap and change at QB and start with a new QB who is new to the system, wco or not. 

The franchise is in a tight spot owing to too few Draft picks and an ageing Team, that is due to chasing the "sexy"  players and throwing money at the quick option, that doesnt work! It takes time to build a winning compettetive Team and a sound Rosta.  It will take time through the Draft and through FA not by giving up your picks for Star players who dont deliver the goods.

A move for Sanchez just doesnt make sence to me, we need players on both sides of the Line, weve invested so much in JC and thats why I think he deserves to be Starter next season.  I doubt if Sanchez would have done any better behind our O line of last year.  If Campbell doesnt produce then he gets the Bullet. 

What do you think Dan snyder will be doing during next years FA?  Theres going to be some busy Agents trying to get into Snyders ear, you can bet on that.  No Cap, Snyders Millions - It aint Rocket Science....

[Dr. Jumpshot]

This will be Campbells 2nd season with Zorn and I just think its fair to all parties to have one more season, we looked pretty good at the beginning of last season, we fell away due to many reasons, wear and tear to our O line being one of them.  There will always be people shouting for the QB's head when things go wrong, thats life but if Campbell or Zorn dont cut the Mustard this coming season then BOTH will be gone. 

We need to build with what we have not swap and change at QB and start with a new QB who is new to the system, wco or not. 

The franchise is in a tight spot owing to too few Draft picks and an ageing Team, that is due to chasing the "sexy"  players and throwing money at the quick option, that doesnt work! It takes time to build a winning compettetive Team and a sound Rosta.  It will take time through the Draft and through FA not by giving up your picks for Star players who dont deliver the goods.

A move for Sanchez just doesnt make sence to me, we need players on both sides of the Line, weve invested so much in JC and thats why I think he deserves to be Starter next season.  I doubt if Sanchez would have done any better behind our O line of last year.  If Campbell doesnt produce then he gets the Bullet. 

What do you think Dan snyder will be doing during next years FA?  Theres going to be some busy Agents trying to get into Snyders ear, you can bet on that.  No Cap, Snyders Millions - It aint Rocket Science....

"Sexy pick"= another regurgitation...coming from Stwasm this time

What "Sexy pick" left the team with a lack of draft picks this season?...I am not sure but I think that we are lacking draft picks because of the signing of a DE and maybe a lineman or two (some forced by injuries and FA's leaving). I do not think they are characterized as  "sexy picks". Stop living in the Dionne Sanders days, these things happened so long ago that I forgot we even had some of those guys on our team.

I am not going to knock the FO for drafting Thomas, Kelly nor Davis (sexy picks) last year because a year or two from now we will be saying how great these guys are and how happy we are to have them on our team....being hypocritical from what we are saying now.

Like I said, whether the FO decides to go forward with Campbell or make a move to get Sanchez, I will fully support the decision because I do respect what they do and feel that they are professionals dedicated to making the team better, no matter the cost and are better than most people want to give them credit for being.

Will Mr.Snyder get some players in the non-capped season?....Yes, please do Mr. Snyder do whatever it takes to get the team back to the Superbowl....I hope that he don't be somewhere twiddling his thumbs while the rest of the NFL are getting better.

[AlexandertheGreatestFANEV]

This will be Campbells 2nd season with Zorn and I just think its fair to all parties to have one more season, we looked pretty good at the beginning of last season, we fell away due to many reasons, wear and tear to our O line being one of them.  There will always be people shouting for the QB's head when things go wrong, thats life but if Campbell or Zorn dont cut the Mustard this coming season then BOTH will be gone. 

We need to build with what we have not swap and change at QB and start with a new QB who is new to the system, wco or not. 

The franchise is in a tight spot owing to too few Draft picks and an ageing Team, that is due to chasing the "sexy"  players and throwing money at the quick option, that doesnt work! It takes time to build a winning compettetive Team and a sound Rosta.  It will take time through the Draft and through FA not by giving up your picks for Star players who dont deliver the goods.

A move for Sanchez just doesnt make sence to me, we need players on both sides of the Line, weve invested so much in JC and thats why I think he deserves to be Starter next season.  I doubt if Sanchez would have done any better behind our O line of last year.  If Campbell doesnt produce then he gets the Bullet. 

What do you think Dan snyder will be doing during next years FA?  Theres going to be some busy Agents trying to get into Snyders ear, you can bet on that.  No Cap, Snyders Millions - It aint Rocket Science....

"Sexy pick"= another regurgitation...coming from Stwasm this time

What "Sexy pick" left the team with a lack of draft picks this season?...I am not sure but I think that we are lacking draft picks because of the signing of a DE and maybe a lineman or two (some forced by injuries and FA's leaving). I do not think they are characterized as  "sexy picks". Stop living in the Dionne Sanders days, these things happened so long ago that I forgot we even had some of those guys on our team.

I am not going to knock the FO for drafting Thomas, Kelly nor Davis (sexy picks) last year because a year or two from now we will be saying how great these guys are and how happy we are to have them on our team....being hypocritical from what we are saying now.

Like I said, whether the FO decides to go forward with Campbell or make a move to get Sanchez, I will fully support the decision because I do respect what they do and feel that they are professionals dedicated to making the team better, no matter the cost and are better than most people want to give them credit for being.

Will Mr.Snyder get some players in the non-capped season?....Yes, please do Mr. Snyder do whatever it takes to get the team back to the Superbowl....I hope that he don't be somewhere twiddling his thumbs while the rest of the NFL are getting better.

Well Jumpshot, I don't know if we can expect much else from Snyder these days. I have to agree with UK about letting J-CAM have his last shot. Of course, if we don't fix the o-line or get younger at d-line and LB, it may not make much of a difference because J-CAM obviously has more to learn about being a starting QB and cannot carry the team on his own. As for medicore records, I really can't see this team being much better than .500 with all the offseason moves, changes in systems, and inability to fix needy areas by getting younger. Personally, we are still living in the past and refusing to modernize instead of letting history be history and modernizing with the rest of the league. We also as fans choose to be dedicated to that history which is long-since GONE. Given, I know most of the other teams have similar issues, but ours are bigger than others and they may just get better while we get worse. I can be optimistic to a point and support my team, but realistically I don't think we're anywhere near Super Bowl contention and won't be until we have an FO that will run things correctly and players who will play to their potential.

[Dr. Jumpshot]

Well Jumpshot, I don't know if we can expect much else from Snyder these days. I have to agree with UK about letting J-CAM have his last shot. Of course, if we don't fix the o-line or get younger at d-line and LB, it may not make much of a difference because J-CAM obviously has more to learn about being a starting QB and cannot carry the team on his own. As for medicore records, I really can't see this team being much better than .500 with all the offseason moves, changes in systems, and inability to fix needy areas by getting younger. Personally, we are still living in the past and refusing to modernize instead of letting history be history and modernizing with the rest of the league. We also as fans choose to be dedicated to that history which is long-since GONE. Given, I know most of the other teams have similar issues, but ours are bigger than others and they may just get better while we get worse. I can be optimistic to a point and support my team, but realistically I don't think we're anywhere near Super Bowl contention and won't be until we have an FO that will run things correctly and players who will play to their potential.

How has Jason been "trying to carry the team on his own"?...The D has been perenial top 10 (except for one season) and on O we have Clinton Portis, Chris Samuels, Chris Cooley and Santana Moss who I think have carried more of the load. I wish that Jason would carry some load, then the discussion of another QB would not be necessary. Collins did not seem to have a problem only a season removed from Campbell's debacle.

No one in their right mind should worry about the team abandoning the O-line even if the FO choose to go with the young Sanchez. I am sure that IF, it happens (which it probably won't now that everyone is after the guy ) that there are other players on their draft board and moves that will be made. I am sure that they will not draft Sanchez and close down the off season. Every good team doesn't have a roster full of 1st rounders.

"Younger at D-Line and LB?"...Hmmm that's a new one?...never heard that one before

So we have larger issues than the Detroit's of the league?...Give it a break!!

The team is very fixable and I think that it will be fixed in the Snyder regime. I am also disappointed in the recent records but I do not think that the sky is falling either.