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« on: February 05, 2009, 03:26:18 PM » |
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With the signings of Dominque Dorsey and Marques Hagans it looks as though we are finally going to look for someone to replace ARE at punt returner. These may not be the guys who finally replace him but it does look like players will be brought in to compete for the job.
With this and the possible emergence of our rookie receivers next seasons, I think that ARE's playing time will be diminished greatly by mid season. I am totally in favor of using ARE in a less prominent role because firstly, if he is dropped to a smaller role it would mean that Kelly and Thomas would be making the progresses that we are looking for them to make and secondly, ARE is just not as good of a receiver as we need right now.
I would love to keep him for 4 receiver sets, for depth purposes and for time-to-time use at receiver because he is usable but I do not think that he could be depended on as a #2 receiver or a punt returner.
If these signings are indeed a indication that we are gonna finally try to find someone to replace him at punt returner, lets chalk this up to one of the small steps that we are gonna need to get better and hope that there are bigger moves to come.
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« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2009, 03:49:16 PM » |
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Here Here...
Hes no #2 reciever but hes filled in for us and done a job. It could be that he does a better job of punt returner, when hes only doing that and the odd down as a reciever, but even then we could have someone else to do that job too.
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« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2009, 11:10:09 PM » |
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IMO Randle El is a slot receiver and that is it. real good in gadget plays i.e reverses and double reverses with the option to throw the ball on the run. I still think he is an asset to this team
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« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2009, 11:28:12 PM » |
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IMO Randle El is a slot receiver and that is it. real good in gadget plays i.e reverses and double reverses with the option to throw the ball on the run. I still think he is an asset to this team
I agree that he is a asset to a certain degree T-Y but we are going to have to increase the talent level of our more prominent players. I can not see ARE getting the time that he gets with our team on a lot of other teams. In all actualities, I think that we could use a upgrade at the #1 receiver position but Moss is still a good receiver and can fill the bill if we could get better receivers to complement him for the time being. I have heard on other boards, particularly when the Calvin Johnson debate was going on, that "the receiver position was not a major concern because they only get so many touches a game" but look how far a good receiver can move the ball down field in one catch compared to most running plays, even by the good RB's. It takes a combination of both to get down field and I do not think that we have what it takes to at the receiver position to sustain drives UNLESS Thomas and Kelly are used correctly. John Riggins averaged only like 3.2 yards per game so without Art Monk's possessions receptions, drives would not have been sustained and I do not think that our team would have broken any scoring records. On top of that, a good inside/outside passing game is vital so that we could keep defenses guessing on passing downs and I do not think our opponents have to guess too much when both our WR targets are 5'9" 160lbs. They know neither will be doing a lot over the middle. |
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« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2009, 06:58:16 AM » |
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IMO Randle El is a slot receiver and that is it. real good in gadget plays i.e reverses and double reverses with the option to throw the ball on the run. I still think he is an asset to this team
I agree with you there, I dont think theres any argument about what ARE can do in trick/gadget plays. I do think hes been making up the numbers though when playing as a #2 WR It would be good if Thomas & Davis could push Moss all the way, not just be used but to have a break out season. As MB says we need balance in our offense and If we could expand our aerial threat all the better. Our offense, be it at TE WR or running the ball we need to be unpredictable. As we saw last season a good RB cant carry a team on his own and like with other teams with little threat at RB they strugle to get the job done too. We need a balance where we are a threat running the ball as well as JC spreading the ball about the field. More competition at WR will benefit our team, we need Thomas & Davis to step up and break into the starting line up, we need that competition! |
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« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2009, 12:47:21 AM » |
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Thomas and Kelly is going to have to somehow be used as Boldin and Fitzgerald are although probably to a lesser degree because those guys have proven to be great recievers. This is why we aquired the guys so not using them in that capacity is just a waste.
I know that no one can teach Thomas how to go up and get the ball no matter the coverage like Fitzgerald or Calvin Johnson or Kelly how to out tough defenders like Boldin and Andre Johnson because those are God given talents but I do think that those guys has simular talents and we have to put them to use in our offense.
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« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2009, 05:22:04 AM » |
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This is the NFL and these players have to grow up, take notice and behave like Pros.
They have a great oppertunity to play football at the highest level and be someone who the fans admire and respect. If they have any cand of brain then they would be doing EVERYTHING possible to succeed!
Fitz and Boldin didnt get everything given to them, they did have talent and ability but they also had to put in all the hard work and hours to become what they are today.
Dedication is needed and a desire to succeed. Its in their own hands now! There are people doubting these players and already writing their Pro Careers off. It would be good to prove the doubters wrong.....
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« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2009, 06:54:19 AM » |
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I agree UK thier maturity as men seems to have come into question lately.
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« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2009, 10:56:25 AM » |
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This is the NFL and these players have to grow up, take notice and behave like Pros.
They have a great oppertunity to play football at the highest level and be someone who the fans admire and respect. If they have any cand of brain then they would be doing EVERYTHING possible to succeed!
Fitz and Boldin didnt get everything given to them, they did have talent and ability but they also had to put in all the hard work and hours to become what they are today.
Dedication is needed and a desire to succeed. Its in their own hands now! There are people doubting these players and already writing their Pro Careers off. It would be good to prove the doubters wrong.....
I totally agree, if we can believe what J la has written and it seems as though we believe him at our own convenience. Most of the time we want to take what he reports with a grain of salt. But what I heard Zorn state in an interview concerning Fred Davis is that he was a little slow in learning the system but towards the end of the season he finally got it down and was very impressive in practice. This is when his playing time increased and he looked like he is goig to be a very good TE and as far as Kelly goes, I have read only good about him so the only problem that we face is if the injury bugs bite him again. I don't know if it is still done but I know once upon a time, certain vets used to take rookies under their wings and like mentor the player because whether we want to believe it or not, the guys are still kids, just left the college life and will probably still have some silliness in them. The team has invested a lot in these players and I hope that they have not given up on them because of a "giggle". On Thomas, I think that it was partly his fault, that is if it's our time to believe J la, and partly a resistence to change or adjust anything during the season that handicapped his rookies year. I do know that these guys have the talent and I have all the confidence in the world that we are going to be seeing some great things out of them in years to come. |
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« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2009, 09:20:16 AM » |
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Yes MB theres time for all three to mature into solid NFL pros. Im sure the change from college isnt easy but they wouldnt be the 1st to take time to adjust to the Pro way of going about business.
We will see but like you im Optamistic that the best is yet to come.
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« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2009, 09:36:11 AM » |
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Yes MB theres time for all three to mature into solid NFL pros. Im sure the change from college isnt easy but they wouldnt be the 1st to take time to adjust to the Pro way of going about business.
We will see but like you im Optamistic that the best is yet to come.
You're exactly right UK, the thing for them to do would be to take their craft seriously. I have been looking for articles on anything about our rookies acting immature, I read the J la's article on Thomas but I can not seem to find any other. I know that I have heard fans rumblings but where are they getting the news from?...any links? |
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« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2009, 12:44:31 PM » |
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Yeah that is the one that I was referring to J La is known for trying to find something negative to report but anyways ... Looks like ARE is saying basically the same thing that I said. I am glad that the mentoring is still something that is done because as ARE stated, it is going to take some longer than others to break out of the silliness stage. Not only in the NFL world but in life in general. I do not think that we have a big problem with the rooks if being a little silly at the age of 22 is all that we have to worry about. |
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« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2009, 01:34:55 PM » |
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Yes you are right, some people grow up a lot faster than others and maybe its easy to label them imature if they dont appeare to make a mark straight away.
I think the vets just have to think back to when they were Rookies, everyone needs a little help.
Theres a lack of News around so the "Roumer Mill" will be active and we will have to take the storys with a pinch of salt.
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