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« on: February 03, 2009, 04:34:38 PM »

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The Mock Mockery & Redskins Strategery
The Owner of NLFDraftDog.com, Rob Bryant, has invited his columnists to complete an overall Mock Draft and a Team Specific Mock Draft. Closest to actual gets a brand new car. (Okay, I made that part up.) Here is my response to Rob's suggestion that I try to out-guess Redskins Genius-in-Charge Vinny Cerrato & Co.

Dear Rob--

I think you are trying to screw up my Overall Mock. The idea of an Overall Mock is to put your brain to work, think like a competent GM, and try to analyze which good athlete various teams will take to improve themselves.

Now then, if I need to try to figure out the "thinking" of one Vincent Cerrato of the Redskins and try to suss out what remains of his draft possibilities this year, I will have to shut down all critical skills. This gives me virtually no chance of winning the overall Mock Draft contest.

Also, it's a slightly uneven playing field, in that the Redskins now have only four picks. The three that have gone missing weren't squandered of course. They've given Redskin fans our fair share of bitter tears at the trading prowess of Dan Snyder's Chief Cook and Racquetball Partner.

Vinny sent a second round pick to Miami to obtain former "Dancing with the Stars" performer Jason Taylor. While Taylor was out with Samba and Tango-related leg injuries most of the year. and ineffective even when healthy, he gives the 'skins a leg up if the NFL ever has a dance competition. Taylor is the gift that keeps on giving, too. The 'skins peddled a 6th rounder next year for him, also.

Hedging their defensive end bets, the 'skins gave up their seventh rounder for one Erasmus James, an always injured former first rounder whose signature rush move is sliding into the Whirlpool before teammates leave the practice field. James was hurt all year, too, but can't dance a lick. So he won't be Dancing with the Stars—or the Redskins for that matter--he was cut.

The Redskins 4th rounder went to the New York Football Jets a couple years back for 35-year-old, arthritic-kneed guard, Pete Kendall. Pete was needed because the Rocket Surgeons at Redskin Park failed to re-sign their own superb guard, Derrick Dockery, before he became a too-expensive free agent.

They then decided to try something never successfully achieved in the NFL before. They attempted to install the first ever 6'8" guard. Todd "Too Tall" Wade was formerly a mediocre tackle before he became a mediocre guard. (Who could have seen that coming?) The Toddster is also no longer with the ball club. Kendall has played serviceably for two years but is nearing the end of his warrantee.

So, Rob, you can see my issues trying to determine coherency in Redskin personnel policies. One theory I have is that Mr. Cerrato--attempting to emulate last year's draft--will try to trade out of the first round and again acquire three second round selections. Last year he drafted three receivers. The unholy trio spent most the year on the Redskin bench or in civvies. The third and fourth round picks the Redskins drafted also graced the bench or inactive list. The only draftee who worked out was a seventh rounder (S Chris Horton). So there is a real possibility Vinny may trade all his 2009 picks, and several from next year and try to obtain everyone's seventh round selection.

He might as well. Vinny has had no luck applying his "best player available" stategery in the past, possibly because he doesn't have a clue who the best players available are. Fr' instance: He passed up DeSean Jackson, Donny Avery and Eddie Royal last year--receivers who had outstanding rookie seasons for other teams.

So, you see my dilemma, Rob. I have to try to figure what bad trade downs Vinny will make, and then try to guess which underperforming players will best fill those slots.

Lord knows the team needs linemen. Thanks to inept FA acquisitions and pathetic drafting, the 'skins have an offensive line that's ready for Social Security. Logic would dictate fixing that problem before Jason Campbell gets killed or Clinton Portis goes on the radio again. But the Redskins rarely draft offensive linemen, and they have needs on the defensive line, linebacker, kicking, and backup running back that are pressing.

I also suspect they still need receivers, but I'm afraid to mention it for fear word might get back to Redskins Park. Then Vinny might draft some more WRs or Snyder might offer me a gig as the new GM. I don't think I could co-exist with The Dan. From what I hear, he's not fond of people responding to his suggestions with " Are you out of your mind?" or "Who the hell made you think you have a clue about football?"

So if I dumb myself down and try to figure the 'skins picks, it may make a mockery of my Overall Mock. Don't want to do that. That may be one of the Warning Signs of the Apocalypse, and I'm pretty sure it was mentioned in the Mayan calendar.

Actually, I believe Mocks are one of the few things less accurate than political pundits and economic forecasters. At least they rarely do as much harm. So I'll enter your contest. If I win the car, I'd like it in Redskin colors, Maroon and purple.

Not to hint at my choices, but after an initial analysis of Vinny's thought processes, I'm thinking he may stay in the first round and draft a third baseman.

Sincerely,

John Corcoran, Redskin Columnist
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« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2009, 04:48:56 PM »

Man...Vinny took a beating in that article.

One thing that I do not agree with is the receiver comment...I think that our guys will be just as good as or better than Jackson, Royal and Avery when it is all said and done.

Stay tuned on Kelly and Thomas, their show is far from over.
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« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2009, 05:32:42 PM »

I think like you MB our Rookie WR's will get better,  not many WR's produce in their rookie year.  We will see but I DO have faith.
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« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2009, 08:14:55 AM »

Man...Vinny took a beating in that article.

One thing that I do not agree with is the receiver comment...I think that our guys will be just as good as or better than Jackson, Royal and Avery when it is all said and done.

Stay tuned on Kelly and Thomas, their show is far from over.

We'll see about that one, but their starts aren't encouraging.  I heard that Fred Davis often could be seen "giggling" during meetings.  It also burns me that Kelly had existing knee problems we seemed to ignore.  Hindsight is 20/20, but I think we may have been better served taking at least one lineman with those three picks.
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« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2009, 11:13:11 AM »

I also heard about their imaturaty at team meetings etc and that the Vets on the team were'nt impressed with their behaviour...... 

They are very lucky to be in a position where they can play this great game, but they need to realise that to succeed they need to knuckle down and work on their game. 

lets hope they come back with a better attitude and a willingness to listen, learn and progress. 
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« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2009, 11:19:17 AM »

I also heard about their imaturaty at team meetings etc and that the Vets on the team were'nt impressed with their behaviour...... 

They are very lucky to be in a position where they can play this great game, but they need to realise that to succeed they need to knuckle down and work on their game. 

lets hope they come back with a better attitude and a willingness to listen, learn and progress. 

I need more than "let's hope they come back with a better attitude."  I need tangibles.  I need solid proof that this team is on the upswing and ready to be mentioned in the same breath as the Pittsburghs and New Englands of the world.  I just don't see that now, give our lack of draft picks, precarious salary cap position, and aging offensive and defensive lines with no depth on either side.  We very well could be on a collision course with some VERY BAD years because of it all. 
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« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2009, 12:47:11 PM »

I also heard about their imaturaty at team meetings etc and that the Vets on the team were'nt impressed with their behaviour...... 

They are very lucky to be in a position where they can play this great game, but they need to realise that to succeed they need to knuckle down and work on their game. 

lets hope they come back with a better attitude and a willingness to listen, learn and progress. 

I need more than "let's hope they come back with a better attitude."  I need tangibles.  I need solid proof that this team is on the upswing and ready to be mentioned in the same breath as the Pittsburghs and New Englands of the world.  I just don't see that now, give our lack of draft picks, precarious salary cap position, and aging offensive and defensive lines with no depth on either side.  We very well could be on a collision course with some VERY BAD years because of it all. 

Again, going back to what you posted in another forum, it's a miracle we haven't had many bad years throughout this decade. It's hard to tell where this team will go from here, but we're obviously in an era of struggles.
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« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2009, 05:14:24 PM »

Guys, dont you think we have drawn a line and learnt by our mistakes?  Miracles wont happen we have to get real here, but improvement can however small.  If we dont hope that our WR's get better than what are we to do?Huh    We are stuck in a position now but we can say enough is enough and manage this franchise how it should be and progress...

Its no good us moaning about the bad decisions weve made in the past,  we have to get on and move forward with "the cards weve been dealt with" and make the best of whats available.

Its not going to be easy but we can HOPE

stwasm you say "you need tangibles"  maybe all weve got is HOPE??  Theres no Guarantees, thats for sure.
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« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2009, 12:20:58 AM »

Guys, dont you think we have drawn a line and learnt by our mistakes?  Miracles wont happen we have to get real here, but improvement can however small.  If we dont hope that our WR's get better than what are we to do?Huh    We are stuck in a position now but we can say enough is enough and manage this franchise how it should be and progress...

Its no good us moaning about the bad decisions weve made in the past,  we have to get on and move forward with "the cards weve been dealt with" and make the best of whats available.

Its not going to be easy but we can HOPE

stwasm you say "you need tangibles"  maybe all weve got is HOPE??  Theres no Guarantees, thats for sure.

I agree with you about the receivers UK but "hope" has to be coupled with some type of action. Right now it looks like all that we  have as far as possible strengths IS our youthful, potentially good-great receivers and TE's and our DB's.

I have been the biggest "kool-aid drinker" in the history of cyber-space  but the kool-aid is tasting a bit sour now and I think that we have to put some sugar in it at some point. Although I will ALWAYS stick by my team.

I have been a Redskins fan for over 30 years and at one point, I would take out my pad, take stats and expect to win every game but right now, I am hoping/wishing that we win. There was no opponent that we had this season who we had a clear advantage over and thankfully we managed to get through Detroit without playing down to their level like we did other teams and had been their only victory of the season.

I am confident that the cycle is going to get back to our team but,IMO it is going to take more than hope to get it back to where it was.
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« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2009, 07:29:50 AM »

Guys, dont you think we have drawn a line and learnt by our mistakes?  Miracles wont happen we have to get real here, but improvement can however small.  If we dont hope that our WR's get better than what are we to do?Huh    We are stuck in a position now but we can say enough is enough and manage this franchise how it should be and progress...

Its no good us moaning about the bad decisions weve made in the past,  we have to get on and move forward with "the cards weve been dealt with" and make the best of whats available.

Its not going to be easy but we can HOPE

stwasm you say "you need tangibles"  maybe all weve got is HOPE??  Theres no Guarantees, thats for sure.

I agree with you about the receivers UK but "hope" has to be coupled with some type of action. Right now it looks like all that we  have as far as possible strengths IS our youthful, potentially good-great receivers and TE's and our DB's.

I have been the biggest "kool-aid drinker" in the history of cyber-space  but the kool-aid is tasting a bit sour now and I think that we have to put some sugar in it at some point. Although I will ALWAYS stick by my team.

I have been a Redskins fan for over 30 years and at one point, I would take out my pad, take stats and expect to win every game but right now, I am hoping/wishing that we win. There was no opponent that we had this season who we had a clear advantage over and thankfully we managed to get through Detroit without playing down to their level like we did other teams and had been their only victory of the season.

I am confident that the cycle is going to get back to our team but,IMO it is going to take more than hope to get it back to where it was.

I Agree....  my point is we have to be optamistic even with the situation we find ourselves in right now. In realaty we have to go with the flow this coming season and wait for major changes next year, like it or not....  We know we arent going to be favourites for the Super Bowl!!  Thats where we are at, and theres nothing we can really do other than have faith with our Draft picks from last year and hope the FO do the business in the upcoming Draft and with FA acquisitions.  Theres a lot to do lets hope we do it right. 

Im just trying to be positive about things but also be realistic about our prospects.  If we finnish 6-10 but havent given away our Draft picks for the 2010 season or paid over the odds for a player or two in Fa then Id be happy that we have turned the corner and have started building the right way.  We need to set the seeds of recovery now, to reap the rewards in the future, we know that, lets hope the FO know it.  Like ive said before there are Hard decisions to be made, lets hope they make them.


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« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2009, 12:01:53 PM »

I'm with ya UK...I am going to join you in your optimism and hope that things work out. I think that the team just upset me because I know that they (the FO) could've done a better job in putting our team together.

I think that they waited 3 year too late to address the big receiver problem and although I am behind the receivers now, I don't know if it would not have been better to get a lineman with one of the picks last season. The defensive line has been a problem for a while also and nothing has been done to help this group besides desperatley picking up a aging DE (Taylor) when another aging DE (Daniels) went down for the year last season. There have been other problems that needed addressing but the FO's plan seems to not be meshing with the successful team's in the NFL plans.

Not that you said it UK but I know others have said that we harp on the past decisions too often and I have probably said it myself but come to think of it, I do not think that we are harping on what happened in the  past because the decisions are having a direct effect on our present and right now it is a topic of discussion on our fan's discussion boards because it is what it is. Just as a great  FO would be praised if it was the other way around.

I have seen some of our members on other boards for years and I know that when the season starts and the B&G gets ready to hit the field that the team has their full support that's why I readily listen and comment to the complaints as well as the kudos.
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« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2009, 12:28:00 PM »

I'm with ya UK...I am going to join you in your optimism and hope that things work out. I think that the team just upset me because I know that they (the FO) could've done a better job in putting our team together.

I think that they waited 3 year too late to address the big receiver problem and although I am behind the receivers now, I don't know if it would not have been better to get a lineman with one of the picks last season. The defensive line has been a problem for a while also and nothing has been done to help this group besides desperatley picking up a aging DE (Taylor) when another aging DE (Daniels) went down for the year last season. There have been other problems that needed addressing but the FO's plan seems to not be meshing with the successful team's in the NFL plans.

Not that you said it UK but I know others have said that we harp on the past decisions too often and I have probably said it myself but come to think of it, I do not think that we are harping on what happened in the  past because the decisions are having a direct effect on our present and right now it is a topic of discussion on our fan's discussion boards because it is what it is. Just as a great  FO would be praised if it was the other way around.

I have seen some of our members on other boards for years and I know that when the season starts and the B&G gets ready to hit the field that the team has their full support that's why I readily listen and comment to the complaints as well as the kudos.

To really put this in perspective, I look at Pittsburgh's front office.  They lost a LOT of players to free agency because they didn't want to cap themselves out, and just added players through that course where necessary, while grooming their own talent.  I say two Super Bowl titles in four years shows that this is the way to run a football organization. 
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« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2009, 12:30:10 PM »

Hindsight is a good thing but whats done is done, my way of thinking is to look forward (in life as well as football)  we all make mistakes and no one is perfect.  

I know theres people who will be looking to the Skins to win the division next season with the same players as last season but we have to get real in our expectations, realise we have to take what comes and bide our time.  

Theres no reason we cant be optamistic that we are going to make the right decisions from now on and our picks from last year will progress though

Lets see where the FO go from here....
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« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2009, 12:34:22 PM »

I'm with ya UK...I am going to join you in your optimism and hope that things work out. I think that the team just upset me because I know that they (the FO) could've done a better job in putting our team together.

I think that they waited 3 year too late to address the big receiver problem and although I am behind the receivers now, I don't know if it would not have been better to get a lineman with one of the picks last season. The defensive line has been a problem for a while also and nothing has been done to help this group besides desperatley picking up a aging DE (Taylor) when another aging DE (Daniels) went down for the year last season. There have been other problems that needed addressing but the FO's plan seems to not be meshing with the successful team's in the NFL plans.

Not that you said it UK but I know others have said that we harp on the past decisions too often and I have probably said it myself but come to think of it, I do not think that we are harping on what happened in the  past because the decisions are having a direct effect on our present and right now it is a topic of discussion on our fan's discussion boards because it is what it is. Just as a great  FO would be praised if it was the other way around.

I have seen some of our members on other boards for years and I know that when the season starts and the B&G gets ready to hit the field that the team has their full support that's why I readily listen and comment to the complaints as well as the kudos.

To really put this in perspective, I look at Pittsburgh's front office.  They lost a LOT of players to free agency because they didn't want to cap themselves out, and just added players through that course where necessary, while grooming their own talent.  I say two Super Bowl titles in four years shows that this is the way to run a football organization. 

Yes, and it all makes you think even more about how we've gone about building our team.....  Huh

I think we are all singing from the same hymn sheet here, just wonder which hymn sheet Danny and Co are singing from??
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« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2009, 12:45:47 PM »

I've backed Danny and Vinny for the longest but right now I am wondering if they are not just hard headed and bound to do things their own way whether it works or not. If this is the case and they are not open to change, we are going to keep seeing the same  pattern until one or both are replaced.

I know Danny is young and he is not going anywhere but I do not think that Vinny's job is as secure as it once was so hopefully we may see something in the near future.
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