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Mike Bass
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« on: January 03, 2009, 11:53:03 PM »

QB: 1.Campbell 2.Collins 3.Brennan- I think that we are going to keep these 3 with Brennan being promoted to #2 and Collins riding out his final year or 2 as a clipboard holder. We may be left in a bad situation if Campbell is ineffective or go down with a injury but I do not see us going after a QB this off season.

RB: 1.Portis 2.Betts 3.Cartwright- We should be safe with CP but I would not be surprised if we look at another RB who could spell CP better than Betts did this season...As a after thought I really wish that we could've kept Marcus Mason on our practice squad. I think that he probably would've won a job next season and may be a more explosive back up to CP than Betts was this season. Cartwright has the heart that I wish that all of our players could acquire...I hope that he retires in the burgandy and gold

WR (flank): 1. Moss 2 Thomas 3. Kelly- I think that this group is stable but, I think that a "changing of the guard" so to speak is going to have to gradually be put into progress , If not next season probably the season after. Thomas' and/or Kelly's abilities are going to have to get close to Moss' abilities because, although Moss is still solid he is not getting any younger but I do not think that we will or should pursue a receiver for the flanker position.

WR (split): 1. Randel El  2.Thrash- I think that we should look for a change in the off season at the split. Randle El is not a #2 receiver and Thrash's career is all but over. IMO, we should move Kelly or Thomas to split AND pursue a low to mid level free agent receiver to replace Thrash and to also push for a starting position...Detroit's Shaun McDonald would be a good move here

TE: 1.Cooley 2. Yoder 3. Davis- This is one of the most stable groups that we have...The only move that I see is maybe going with 2 TE's ( Cooley and Davis) next season, clearing a roster spot for a position with less depth. I also think that we will plan to use Davis a lot more next season.

RT: 1.Jansen 2. Heyer- IMO, Jansen should be gone by next season with Heyer taking over at RT....We may also go after a FA here

RG: 1.Thomas 2. Fabini- I think that Thomas is a keeper for at least one more season as we work on getting our O-line younger but I think that Fabini should be replaced with a younger back up.

C:Rabach- I think that his job is safe for one more season

LG: 1.Kendall 2.Geisenger 3. Rinehart- Rinehart may jump from 3rd to first with a good showing this off and pre-season. Kendall did not play aweful but I think that his age (36 before the season start) will work against him.

LT: Chris Samuels- I am sure that he is safe come next season.

Note: The O-line will need a lot of work but I do not think that we will get it all done with 4 draft picks and the FA pool to work with but I do think that we will use both avenues to better this squad....BUT...I do not think that it will change as much as we want it to.

LDE: 1.Taylor 2.Evans 3. Jackson- Taylor's decision still may be up in the air but I do not think that we will make a move here...Maybe Phillip Daniels could come back and produce for us but if not we will probably go with DE by committee to get us through next year because again, we do not have the picks nor cap space to go crazy at this poistion.

LDT: 1. Griffin 2. Alexander 3. Boschetti- IMO, big Griff should worry...with the 13th overall pick, I think that this will be the position that we draft a DT at to replace a aging Griff .

RDT: 1. Golston 2. Montgomery- I think that these 2 are safe...NOT because they are effective but only because we do not have enough moves this off season to replace neither.

RDE: 1. Carter 2.Wilson- I am not mad at either of these 2 guys...I expect them to stay.

SLB: 1.Washington 2.Fincher- I also think that Washington will be a casualty this off season. With him, I think that his constant injuries will spell his demise...I think that we should look at at FA here.

MLB: 1.Fletcher 2.Blades- I do not think that this will change

WLB: 1.McIntosh 2. Campbell- this should also remain the same

LCB: 1.Springs 2. Hall 3. Tryon- Safe... but Hall should win a starting position either at the RCB or here.

SS: 1. Horton 2. Green- Safe

FS: 1. Landry  2. Moore- Safe...I like Moore as a back up to Landry

RCB:1. Rogers 2.Smoot  3.Tryon- IMO, this may be where we gain another draft pick. From what I have been reading, Rogers may be in Blache's dog house and with the acquisition of Hall (If he stays), this may get interesting.

PK: Suisham- I think that he is gone

P: Plackemeier- I think that his late season punting may have gotten him in a position to win the job here

Note: Looking at the current roster, considering draft picks and cap space, I do not think that we have  a lot of room to make moves but, IMO the needs lies mainly on the O-line, DT, SLB, PK and to a at lesser degree split end. These are only my opinions and my break down, I would like to see if any of yours will match mine so let me see your opinions.
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« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2009, 04:02:39 AM »

I think that Thomas and Jansen will be here 2-3 more years each due to cap hits if they're not. 
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« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2009, 09:05:58 AM »

I would like to see Davis as #2 TE
Put Hall back to return punts as ARE is less than impressive as a return man
Also would like to see us rotate the O line a bit with the younger players
I like Kendall he has played solidly but u r correct about his age
We need to start relying less on Samuels as his age is beginning to show as well
At the very least bring in some competition for Suisam and Plackemier
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« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2009, 11:01:47 AM »

Great Post... Here is my take...4 picks in the draft...I would not surprise me if Vinny would trade down to get more picks again. O-line & D-line should be addressed most...They just
may go after Haynesworth agressively as well

1. Suisham - he is gone - he has not been consistent
2. Plackemeier - stays but sure wish we could go after Chargers punter - lol he is the bomb
3. Jansen, Washington - gone because of injuiries, age
4. Rogers - might be gone...I think when Blache mentioned he needs consistency in some players I believe he was talking about him.. but I think Springs 7.5 mil should go.
5. Carter was not impressive this year to me at all but probably wll stay
6. Sproles SD will be a FA...would love for him to backup CP and used him for ARE returns
7. They may trade ARE and Betts.. ilove those guys but they have some trade value
8. Trash I think will stay...hell of a special teamer and hard work ethic
9. Randy Thomas that is a tough one..he will have neck surgery this week and his age???

I could be totally wrong here just my little input



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« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2009, 12:43:49 PM »

I would like to see Brennan move to #2 but I think he stops there.  All depends on his battle with Collins in the pre season.  Wouldn't be surprised if they brought in another young QB like they did last year, although it wouldn't make sense to do so.

Would like to see Betts replaced with another back that can actually spell CP, although Betts is a good receiver.  Maybe as the offense develops we will him used more as a receiving back than a runner.

I would not be surprised to see a receiver picked up in the off season.  Randle El is at best a #3 slot receiver and I think Thomas will need at least one more year to mature.  Kelly may be ready by next season but I wouldn't hold my breath.  Thrash needs to retire, even though I think highly of his off field attitude and accomplishments.

Yoder is a serviceable backup but I think that with Davis getting better, his days could be numbered.

Jansen should be gone but won't be unless they can figure out a way to make his cap hit less severe.  In reality he will retire a Redskin just because of his contract and cap hit.  Heyer should start although I am not convinced he is a starter.

Thomas gets one more year...maybe.  They need to pull with him more as that is one of his strengths.  Need to think about replacing him after next season.

Rabach is an OK center but they can do better.  Look to FA to give him some competition.

Kendall is a free agent and will likely think he is worth more than he is.  Try to resign but if not get Chad or Justin ready to go.

Samuels will start but will need a suitable replacement after next season.

Taylor could be gone because he was horrible this year.  He may decide to retire.  I think he can still be good though and would like to see him used properly next year.  Evans may go elsewhere with Rob Jackson waiting in the wings.  He is a UFA so can write his own ticket if there is interest.

Griffin still has something left in the tank and is by far out best DT.  They need a good replacement behind him ready to take over, but more importantly they need someone next to him to collapse the pocket.  I was looking at Jonathon Babineaux from ATL rather than Haynesworth but we will see.  Both Montgomery and Gholston are RFA's so they could be elsewhere next year.

Washington is probably gone - replace through draft maybe.

MLB should stay the same.

Khary Campbell, whild great on teams, needs to be replaced by....Rocky.  We need a starting lineback to replace Rocky because he was merely adequate this year.

Safeties remain, although Reed is probably gone,especially as a RFA.

Rogers is likely gone, as is Smoot.  Smoot just under performed and is no more than a third corner.  Rogers doesn't want to back anyone up and will likely request a trade.

Being pushed out the door by my wife right now so I can elaborate on my roster later if necessary.  Smiley
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« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2009, 04:39:18 PM »

-Simone, Sproles would be ideal but I would be surprised if San Diego doesn't try to match  any offers made to him, especially after losing Michael Turner last season. Unlike Turner I do not think that Sproles could carry the load of being a #1 back so I think that his offers will be affordable for San Diego to match....but I do hope that Betts somehow emerges as the back up that we thought he'd be or we acquire a Sproles-like replacement.

-CT, I kinda agree about Golston and Montgomery but I do not think that they are going to be worth much in the FA market. Like Rock last season, they may test the market, find little interest with one and possibly both coming back to us next season.
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« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2009, 06:09:49 PM »


-CT, I kinda agree about Golston and Montgomery but I do not think that they are going to be worth much in the FA market. Like Rock last season, they may test the market, find little interest with one and possibly both coming back to us next season.

Yeah I agree with you Mike.  However, I don't think either one is the DT we need.  We need a playmaker in the middle and despite his age, I think Griff has something more he can give us.  I think he is the better option over Gholston or Montgomery, at least right now.  I think they are both backups, and shouldn't be starting for us.  Of course, we may not opt to bring them back either, depending on what else is out there.  Your guess is as good as mine.

Not sure if draft or FA is the best way to go here, but I think something needs to be done.  Top 5 defense or no, it was because of our secondary.  With a mediocre 2ndary we drop to middle of the pack or lower for defense.  Every one blames Taylor and Carter but with the DT's not applying pressure in the middle there is no way the ends are going to get there.
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« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2009, 06:29:14 PM »



Yeah I agree with you Mike.  However, I don't think either one is the DT we need.  We need a playmaker in the middle and despite his age, I think Griff has something more he can give us.  I think he is the better option over Gholston or Montgomery, at least right now.  I think they are both backups, and shouldn't be starting for us.  Of course, we may not opt to bring them back either, depending on what else is out there.  Your guess is as good as mine.

Not sure if draft or FA is the best way to go here, but I think something needs to be done.  Top 5 defense or no, it was because of our secondary.  With a mediocre 2ndary we drop to middle of the pack or lower for defense.  Every one blames Taylor and Carter but with the DT's not applying pressure in the middle there is no way the ends are going to get there.

Oh I totally agree, I hope that we can upgrade that position if we can get it done because it is definitely in need. Cerrato stated after last season's draft that he had his eyes on DTs then but other teams picked who they were targeting right before our choice, thats why I think that we will use the 13th pick on one this season.

You are dead on IMO, about needing the pressure up the middle for the end rush to be effective. I have said the same thing at least 100 times on here myself.

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« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2009, 06:47:47 PM »

People get down on Griffin because they think he is old and injury prone, which really isn't true.  Yes he is 32, but he is only coming up on his 10th year in the NFL, so I think he has some gas left in the tank.  He has only missed 8 games since coming here in 2004.  Yeah he has gotten hurt some and has played through a lot of pain but overall he has been there, IMO.  However he has had no help next to him which allows teams to keep him bottled up.  Don't get me wrong, I don't think he is a pro-bowl DT but I think he is good enough to keep.  Get him some help, a game changer to line up next to him and watch the pressure start to come from the entire line.
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« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2009, 09:13:22 PM »

Yeah Griff is the best of the three but that combo has to be broken up. I saw more push up the middle when Ryan Boshetti played.

Come to think of it Griff may be the logical choice to keep because even if we draft a DT...The draftee would have to be given time to adjust. With Griff's experience and actually having some very good years in the past, I would rather he be the guy teaching a rook the ropes  than any of our other DT's. BUT with with both Golston and Montgomery being restricted free agents, I do not know if any team is going to be willing to give up a draft choice for either.

On Thrash, I agree that he is a very good special teamer but do we sacrifice at the receiver position in order to keep a special teamer?...I think that we were left way short there this season and could've benefited from a better #3.

Our offense has to consist of more than Moss, CP and Cooley in order to produce....AND too having another option or two would help these guy's perform even better. We have to realize that our offensive success, at the beginning of the season was probably mainly due to the fact that teams did not know how to take us and the big 3 excelled but as the season progressed it was obvious that it was going to either of these three guys and teams adjusted their game plan to stop our main/only three guns.
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« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2009, 09:24:49 PM »

What about the idea of moving Daniels to the tackle position in passing situations and keeping Taylor.  I think Taylor was pretty much hurt and he should deserve another year to make up for it.  Our DB situation you can never have to many DB's!!!!!!!!!!  We need a outside runner who with a little daylight that can take it to the house!!!!!!!  Our oline we need to cut Jansen and go with Heyor and get a solid backup via Free Agency and insert Reinhert.
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« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2009, 09:37:43 PM »

What about the idea of moving Daniels to the tackle position in passing situations and keeping Taylor.  I think Taylor was pretty much hurt and he should deserve another year to make up for it.  Our DB situation you can never have to many DB's!!!!!!!!!!  We need a outside runner who with a little daylight that can take it to the house!!!!!!!  Our oline we need to cut Jansen and go with Heyor and get a solid backup via Free Agency and insert Reinhert.

T-Y, IMO...I would love for Daniels to come back and help on passing downs if he is able to.

I think that Taylor decision is going to be his, I've read somewhere that Blache want him back but I do not know if he will want to play football or pursue a acting career, which was the same question brought up before we even signed him before the season began.
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« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2009, 10:11:10 PM »


We need to start relying less on Samuels as his age is beginning to show as well


IMO this is true, our FO allowed our line to get old (in football years) from tackle to tackle without thinking of the fact that each one of them could start declining in performance around the same time.

Andrew Crummey was a very good undrafted free agent pick up but he got away from us. I do not see how we are going to upgrade our O-line anytime soon if we do not go the free agent route.
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« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2009, 06:01:14 AM »

I think there was some talk of moving Daniels inside in certain situations even before he got hurt and Taylor got here, so that could already be on their minds.  I like the idea and even if Taylor goes, Chris Wilson has shown to be a good passing down DE.   This could extend Daniels career a little too if it works, but he doesn't have much time left career-wise.

Samuels has, at most, one more season left as a starter if I were the HC.  We DO need to start getting younger as the average age of our line CANNOT be early 30's - that is just absurd.  Hopefully Geisinger and Rinehart do well enough in OTA's to get an extensive look, and we could grab a free agent or two to help bolster the line.
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Our offense has to consist of more than Moss, CP and Cooley in order to produce....AND too having another option or two would help these guy's perform even better. We have to realize that our offensive success, at the beginning of the season was probably mainly due to the fact that teams did not know how to take us and the big 3 excelled but as the season progressed it was obvious that it was going to either of these three guys and teams adjusted their game plan to stop our main/only three guns.

Here's a thought (and I don't want to think this way as I want to see development) - What if our receivers were getting open but Campbell just wasn't seeing them?

I have believed in JC since he started but that belief is starting to waver.  Maybe I am listening to all the Campbell haters, but I think this is the year he proves himself; and he doesn't even get a full year.  If we are not putting points on the board in 2009 from the get go, I think he has to sit.  I am not saying Brennan is the answer, because I frankly don't think he is, but something would have to be done.
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