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HOGWILD21
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« on: November 22, 2008, 12:39:44 AM »

In 1957, the Cincinnati Enquirer distributed pre-marked ballots with its Sunday editions, making it easy for Reds fans to vote early and often in choosing the National League team for baseball's All-Star game.
The result? Seven of the eight NL starters were Reds. Commissioner Ford Frick jumped in, benched two of the seven and ended fan balloting. It wasn't restored until 1970.

The Washington Redskins are this century's Reds.

Washington players currently lead fan voting at 16 of the conference's 19 Pro Bowl positions after the team orchestrated a get-out-the-vote campaign that prompted the NFL to urge other teams to do the same. Makes you wonder how the Redskins have lost four of their 10 games, although then again, those '57 Reds were only slightly better than average: fourth in an eight-team NL, just six games over .500.

In truth, Pro Bowl voting always has been a farce, even before the NFL got fans involved in the last decade or so.

When only players voted, many would skew the process deliberately. Because no one can vote for teammates, many would vote for guys who had no chance, giving their own guys a better shots. Others would vote for college teammates or friends on opposing teams.

It's more than just recognition. It's also money—any agent who wants to keep his job will include a Pro Bowl clause in his client's contract.

Funny about the Pro Bowl, the voting is a bigger event than the game. Once it's over, many of those



voted in try to get out of playing through injury or feigned ailments, especially those who have been to Hawaii multiple times for the game. They cede their spots to alternates, who then get the coveted "Pro Bowler" tag and the bonuses that go with it.
And, as with the Supreme Court, some spots are lifetime appointments, especially on the offensive line.

Back around 1990, for example, Lomas Brown, then a developing young tackle for the Lions, asked a reporter why he had never made it. "You've got Barry Sanders now, you'll make it soon," was the reply.

Brown made it that year and then almost every year after that.

"You were right," he said a decade later after leaving Detroit as a free agent for the Cardinals and then signing with the Giants. "One year in Arizona, I was out injured half the season, the team stunk and I still made the Pro Bowl."

This year, the NFL caught up with the Skins early, giving other teams 2 1/2 weeks to push their players.

"As it stands right now, the Redskins are leading the NFC ballots in 16 of 19 positions," George Scott, who supervises the voting for NFL.com, said in an e-mail this week to the 31 other teams. "This would be a great weekend to promote Pro Bowl voting to your fans. Let me know if you need any ideas or support from the league (or the Redskins) in this important initiative."

Push your players? Push 16 Redskins? Or 43 Lions or Chiefs or Raiders?

In an ideal world, fans would vote for the best player regardless of team. Many are certainly informed enough—fantasy geeks research everyone, and ESPN and the NFL Network are on the air 24/7 discussing the merits, or lack thereof of, hundreds of players.

But instead of urging fans to vote for the most deserving players, the league seems to be suggesting that fans vote for everyone on their favorite team. Although to be fair, the NFL also points out that player and coach voting, two-thirds of the total, often trump fan voting.

Last year, for example, Houston's DeMeco Ryans did not make the top five in fan voting, yet made it at inside linebacker over Tedy Bruschi of the Patriots, who led the fan voting. In the NFC, safety Ken Hamlin of Dallas made it without being in the top five, while Green Bay cornerback Charles Woodson, who led the fan voting, didn't make it at all.

But the whole process makes you wonder.

Why does Ryan Plackemeier, Washington's punter, lead the NFC voting at his position even though he is 18th in the league in gross yardage. "I think having a big marketing thing can make a big difference," Plackenmeier concedes.

Last season, Dallas was the team of choice with a record 13 Pro Bowlers, although at least it was 13-3, best in the NFC.

How many deserved it? Certainly not all 13. And it served as incentive for the Giants, with one Pro Bowler, when they went to Texas for a second-round playoff game.

"We're the All-Joes against the All-Pros," linebacker Antonio Pierce said before the game, which New York won 21-17, then and went on to upset the Patriots in the Super Bowl.

This year, it's the Giants who probably are deserving of a bunch of Pro Bowlers. Many of them are second—by wide margins—to the Redskins, probably because some fans vote on merit and New York has the NFC's best record at 9-1.

On the other hand, they are a true team of complementary parts. Their offensive line has no individual stars, but is the game's best and most cohesive unit, for example.

From an objective standpoint, the Giants should get about six in the Pro Bowl. DE Justin Tuck is one of three non-Redskins leading the voting and QB Eli Manning is second to New Orleans' Drew Brees in balloting for that position.

The Redskins?

Their legitimate candidates include RB Clinton Portis, LB London Fletcher, TE Chris Cooley, OT Chris Samuels (the OL factor), and rookie Chris Horton, a seventh-round draft pick who is leading the voting at strong safety. Still, Horton is a good example of skewed balloting: Horton is having a wonderful season, but he hardly should be leading Arizona's Adrian Wilson, who is running second.

Does it really matter? Probably not, although Hall of Fame voters annually get biographies of candidates that include the number of times each made the Pro Bowl. While some, including this one, downplay that as a factor, others do not. So a skewed Pro Bowl vote might turn out down the road to be a skewed Hall of Fame vote.

All silliness that doesn't need to happen.
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« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2008, 12:41:15 AM »

THIS IS GETTING RIDICULOUS...LOL.I LIKE THAT WE LEAD 16 OUT OF THE 19 POSITIONS BUT LEATS BE REALISTIC...I WOULDN'T ANY OF OUR OFFENSIVE LINEMEN ON THE TEAM!!
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« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2008, 12:52:59 AM »

THIS IS GETTING RIDICULOUS...LOL.I LIKE THAT WE LEAD 16 OUT OF THE 19 POSITIONS BUT LEATS BE REALISTIC...I WOULDN'T ANY OF OUR OFFENSIVE LINEMEN ON THE TEAM!!

it is definitely not fair voting...I'd rather see a voting done correctly...some of these guys have money on the line so we should not vote unfairly
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« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2008, 01:31:00 AM »

some of these guys have money on the line so we should not vote unfairly.


Very true amigo.I never thought about that.
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« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2008, 08:10:15 AM »

Put in perspective like this it does seem skewed. It will be a shame if some deserving players are passed by because of the way the voting is handled. If the Pro Bowl is supposed to be a representation of the top players in the league why aren't the decisions based on stats? This seems like a pretty silly way to determine the top athletes in the league. It may be a better measure of who's fans spend more time online!  Wink
BUT, until they change they way they do things I guess we just have to "play the game" the way it is set up.
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« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2008, 06:30:12 PM »

Fan voting is only a percentage of the final decision.  I would feel bad but the 31 other fan bases are doing the same.  True balance is if we play by the rules laid out. You are even encouraged to vote again as you are exiting the site. Thier rules not ours. I did not, however, vote the entire Redskins ticket.
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« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2008, 07:01:51 PM »

Fan voting is only a percentage of the final decision.  I would feel bad but the 31 other fan bases are doing the same.  True balance is if we play by the rules laid out. You are even encouraged to vote again as you are exiting the site. Thier rules not ours. I did not, however, vote the entire Redskins ticket.

I have no problem with muti-voting deserving players in but the Plackemeirs should not even be considered.

I think that it is making a mockery of the of the system and with all due respect Y41, regardless of the percentage I think that we should handle the situation as if our vote would be the one to get the player into the pro bowl and therefore vote responsibly.
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« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2008, 09:58:25 AM »


I have no problem with muti-voting deserving players in but the Plackemeirs should not even be considered.

I think that it is making a mockery of the of the system

I couldn't agree more.

Although I am as true a fan as anyone here at RH, I did NOT vote the entire Redskins ticket for just this reason.

I did vote (multiple times) for Portis, Sellers, Samuels, Moss, Horton, Fletcher and Rogers
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« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2008, 03:52:34 PM »

The only "Bowl" I want to see Redskins players perform in is the one that's Super.
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