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« on: August 20, 2008, 08:42:42 AM »

Only in the NFL can you be arrested multiple times and get to either keep your job or get another one.   Huh Roll Eyes

http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080819/COL03/308190063

Chris Henry arrived today, his latest last chance grinning grotesquely, like a smile in a funhouse mirror. The Bengals have him back and they think it’s great. Fool us once, shame on you. Fool us five times. . .

Choose your explanation: The team needed a wideout to stretch the field, after Chad Johnson went down Sunday. Henry is on a short leash, making next to nothing on a one-year deal. Everyone deserves a sixth chance. Mike The Redeemer wanted Henry here, so here he is.

The Bengals re-acquired a capable wide receiver. All it cost them was their soul.

The head coach got trumped by an owner with a forgiving heart and a poor track record for assembling football teams. Marvin Lewis might coach the Bengals. He doesn’t run them.

• Poll: Your take on Henry?

“Not interested," Lewis said a week ago, after Henry’s agent said he’d had talks with the team regarding his client. Lewis’ terse response came without qualifier. He didn’t say “Not interested, unless Chad messes up his shoulder." He didn’t say, “Not interested, unless the owner says we are and cuts my legs off to bring back a guy as reliable as a 1979 Chevette." Nope. Marvin was not interested.

Only now, he is. He’ll have to coach a guy he openly and forcefully didn’t want. He has to deal with a locker room that knows who’s boss, and it ain’t Coach. You could argue this sort of tug happens all over the league, and you’d be right. But it doesn’t generally occur with a player who has been suspended for 15 games of his 50-game NFL career, not including the first four this year.

The internal talks about Henry were taking place before Johnson sprained his shoulder, so Lewis knew how Brown felt about things. Maybe the coach tried a power play and lost. Regardless, Lewis has to coach a player he has no use for and manage a locker room wondering who the sheriff is.

This isn’t about Chris Henry, per se. Maybe he’s a new man. Maybe he’s running for tenor in the Vienna Boys Choir. Good for him. Everyone has a right to make a living.

This is about how forlorn a franchise the Bengals continue to be. It’s about an owner who hasn’t presided over a playoff victory in 17 years. Mike Brown has put on the line whatever dignity and credibility his franchise has, for a good-not-great player who has been suspended almost as often as not.

Didn’t the Bengals draft wideouts in the second and third rounds? Didn’t they take three in eight rounds? Oops.

Their credibility on the “character" issue? Zero.

Their stated desire to have “good people’’ on their roster? Fraudulent.

Their record this year with Henry, as opposed to without him? Remains to be seen. Educated guess: He won’t be the difference in more than a game. The Bengals have issues at center, issues with the pass rush, concerns with the cover abilities of their corners, wonders about the health of Rudi Johnson.

Solution: Bring back Chris Henry.

Mike Brown has a genuine interest in Henry’s well-being. The owner has a jelly spot within him for the miscreants he has hired, all the way back to Stanley Wilson. It’s not wrong or naïve to appreciate Brown’s Father Flanagan side. He is a decent man.

Not that it helps him succeed in business. If you’re going to run your team like a halfway house, if you elect to practice social work without a license, you might want to win more than you lose, occasionally.

Even if you’re a bottom-line Bengals fan whose outrage is limited to losses to the Cleveland Browns, you will acknowledge that adding Chris Henry for 12 games doesn’t mean the playoffs are up next. Successful teams have players they can rely on, players who can rely on each other. Then there are the Bengals, whose owner enables irresponsibility in the name of stretching the field.

“His conduct can no longer be tolerated," was Brown’s response in April, after Henry was arrested a fifth time. Charges eventually were dropped, apparently causing the owner’s heart to flutter. What is different about the player now is anybody’s guess.

We’re about to find out. Not that it matters. It’d be nice if the Bengals stood for something, other than losing.
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« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2008, 11:18:48 AM »

I think it sends the wrong message to players and prospective players on so many levels it is scary.

Bottom line

Classless player, classless Team, a coach who does not pick his squad.
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« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2008, 09:52:13 PM »

Only in Cincinnati.
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« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2008, 01:08:44 PM »

I hope the guy can turn his life around but I agree it sends the wrong message.
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« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2008, 02:06:54 PM »

I think PFT columnist Mike Florio summed it up best with this rhetorical question:

Have the Bengals lost their freakin' minds?

Marvin Lewis didn't even want the guy, but Brown went out and got him anyway.  I know Lewis can't wait to get out of that hornet's nest!
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« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2008, 11:13:12 PM »

What a shame i would love to be able to play in the NFL and this guy makes a joke out of it. The Bengals could not go out and get another receiver? There are many out there with talent...suckers!
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« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2008, 11:58:47 AM »

What a shame i would love to be able to play in the NFL and this guy makes a joke out of it. The Bengals could not go out and get another receiver? There are many out there with talent...suckers!

And most of those don't have rap sheets!
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« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2008, 02:36:39 PM »

Just to play the devils advocate for a second and for discussion's sake...

Do we really want these guys to be condemned for life for making a mistake or two or even three?

Roger Goodell have definitely not gone light on punishments and I think that he gathers all the facts, evaluates the players and the incidents/crimes and doles out the proper punishment.

Even hardened criminals are offered some type of rehabilitation once they are close to being ready to enter the free world again so that they can get jobs and become productive citizens. So I do not see nothing wrong with letting these guys finish their careers in the NFL after being punished.
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« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2008, 05:35:53 PM »

Mike in my book

one mistake is forgivible, you put it down to experiance

a second mistake makes you think, are you paying attention to what I just said.

When you get to 3 and more you have to start thinking the person is not listening to you or incapible of changing their ways.

So I would give them a second chance in extreme cases a third chance, but when do you say "you know what your extracting the urine (as we say when the lady folk are present)"
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« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2008, 05:46:11 PM »

Ok I should have added this to my previous post but forgot to so will do so now.

Mike read this story

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/7528581.stm

It Cocerns a soccer player, who has just gotten released from jail in England. His club (Newcastle) have said he still has a future much to the annoyance of their fans. The same player is going back to court of a civil claim for the offence he was jailed for. And is banned for a bust up where he viciously attacked a fellow player. This guy like Henry is not on his second or third chance but 7th chance. If eventualy you do not say enough is enough, this type of person will keep doing what they do.
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« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2008, 07:19:53 PM »

Good point Drum but why should these guys lose their jobs  forever for misdemeanor infractions?

If Henry was a forklift driver or a laundry worker and committed such crimes as possession of a small amount of marijuana, DWI or misdemeanor assault, he would get a court date, probably given a fine and community service (but more than likely a couple of the sentences would be suspended) and then he would go back the work the next day without anyone even knowing. He would not have to lose his job over petty crimes.

But only because Henry is in the public's eye he has been given all of the above plus the fines and suspensions that the NFL levied against him. If the NFL thinks that he has been punished enough and have re-instated him, I say hey let him play, let him earn a living.

I hope that he has learned his lesson and nothing else happens with him though.
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« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2008, 09:31:27 PM »

BTW...another great topic to discuss by Stwasm

THANKS STWAS!
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« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2008, 02:30:17 AM »

Good point Drum but why should these guys lose their jobs  forever for misdemeanor infractions?

If Henry was a forklift driver or a laundry worker and committed such crimes as possession of a small amount of marijuana, DWI or misdemeanor assault, he would get a court date, probably given a fine and community service (but more than likely a couple of the sentences would be suspended) and then he would go back the work the next day without anyone even knowing. He would not have to lose his job over petty crimes.

But only because Henry is in the public's eye he has been given all of the above plus the fines and suspensions that the NFL levied against him. If the NFL thinks that he has been punished enough and have re-instated him, I say hey let him play, let him earn a living.

I actualy have no problem with any "ex-con" making a living, I think the problem arises when our so called "role models" are the ones messing up, how much harder then does it become to say to "wee Johnny", "no sun it is not acceptible for you do that just because he does it". We want kids to look up to their role models and take on board the good aspects not look at them and immitate their bad behaviour.

The other aspect of this is the fact the Bungles said He is not the type of character we want in our team, and then less than three months later they take him back  Shocked , my biggest bugbear in life in consistency, this act shows a total lack of consistency. If they had said "Know what we are going to suspend him for three months because of what he has done" and then reinstated him, I would not have a problem. But do not cut him for character/off field actions make the statement you did then just re employ him. No consistency at all.
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« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2008, 03:00:57 AM »


I actualy have no problem with any "ex-con" making a living, I think the problem arises when our so called "role models" are the ones messing up, how much harder then does it become to say to "wee Johnny", "no sun it is not acceptible for you do that just because he does it". We want kids to look up to their role models and take on board the good aspects not look at them and immitate their bad behaviour.

The other aspect of this is the fact the Bungles said He is not the type of character we want in our team, and then less than three months later they take him back  Shocked , my biggest bugbear in life in consistency, this act shows a total lack of consistency. If they had said "Know what we are going to suspend him for three months because of what he has done" and then reinstated him, I would not have a problem. But do not cut him for character/off field actions make the statement you did then just re employ him. No consistency at all.

OH NOOO not the "role model" thing Drum!...those guys out on the field in ANY sport or anywhere else are people , no one should be put up there greater than any other Joe Blow. TOGETHER, they make up the team that I love but as I have discussed before with other members after they said that they were put off by the likes of the Darrell Green's attitude when they actually met him with their kids, they should not expect anything other than meeting a person who's just like you and I. That should be instealed in them once they start to act like they are getting a "role model" for the simple reason that they play a game.

But I do agree that the Bengal should not have gone against Marvin Lewis' wishes of not bringing him back...that will only cause problems but he should be allowed to play in the NFL
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« Reply #14 on: August 23, 2008, 04:24:22 AM »

I see where both of you are coming from but the question remains...When is enough....ENOUGH?...How many chances(to remain in the NFL) does one get?
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