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« Reply #75 on: August 01, 2008, 01:09:55 PM »

Morning Wrap - Carlos Rogers Can't Go On PUP, Injury Updates, All You Could Want And More

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/08/morning_wrap_carlos_rogers_can.html#more

The Redskins had debated internally whether or not Rogers would need to open the season on the physically-unable-to-perform list, but placing him with that designation is no longer an option. When Rogers, who underwent major reconstructive knee surgery in November, was cleared for full participation in 11-on-11 drills this week it made him ineligible to open the season on the PUP list, and means he will count against the 53-man roster limit to open the season even if he is still not able to play in regular season games.

Zorn said in general his policy in such cases it to "err on the side of caution" but in this instance the team felt that Rogers was ready to take part in drills and is making such strong strides that it would only benefit him and the club to allow his workload to increase on the practice field. "He's really come a long way," Zorn said. "It's been wonderful to watch him progress." Zorn said the club mulled placing rookie safety Kareem Moore on the PUP list after his recent setback (which would have limited to working only individually with trainers and not taking part in practice), with his surgically repaired knee swelling up, but is pleased they opted otherwise, with Moore able to rejoin full practices this week and showing signs of a positive recovery from his offseason knee surgery.

The Redskins have ruled a host of players out of Sunday's game -- more on that after the jump. But first, here's J-Reid's latest Unrestricted video, which looks ahead to the weekend's action:


Zorn said that star tailback Clinton Portis, Pro Bowl left tackle Chris Samuels, starting middle linebacker London Fletcher and newly acquired Pro Bowl defensive end Jason Taylor will not play at all, while the starters who do take part will do so for only a series or two on offense (the defense will rest most of its starters entirely). The Redskins are being very careful with cornerback Carlos Rogers and linebacker Rocky McIntosh, both of whom are returning from season-ending knee surgery, and neither is will play Sunday, Zorn said.

Rookie wide receivers Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly, both second rounds picks dealing with hamstring injuries, will not play, either. Thomas is likely out another week or so, while Kelly continued to experience soreness in his limited practice reps this week.
Tailback Ladell Betts (thigh bruise), receiver Anthony Mix (hamstring) and safety LaRon Landry (hamstring) missed practice against yesterday and will not play, while defensive end Chris Wilson (calf strain) has returned to practice but may sit out as well.


The Redskins also have a group of players recovering from recent surgery - defensive lineman Anthony Montgomery, linebacker H.B. Blades and linebacker Rian Wallace - who are at least another week or so from being able to practice again, while end Erasmus James, who underwent offseason knee surgery, hopes to be back by the end of the month but cannot even practice to this point.

Odds And Ends:

Veteran linebacker Alfred Fincher, who was signed late this week, could participate in a limited special teams role Sunday, Zorn said.

Backup quarterback Todd Collins is scheduled to replace Campbell after the first or second series and play the rest of the first half, with rookie Colt Brennan starting the second half.

The offense looked very sharp in the morning practice, albeit in shorts and not full pads, leading Zorn to shorten the practice as a reward. "It was very fast paced," Zorn said, who has made tempo his mantra. Zorn added a brief afternoon session as well, mostly as a walkthrough to aid the youngsters who will get a bulk of the playing time Sunday ...

Washington's rookies will be touring the Hall of Fame this weekend, but otherwise only a contingent of team officials, and not players or coaches, will be able to attend the induction of former Redskins Art Monk and Darrell Green into the Hall of Fame. The team will be in meetings Saturday night during the ceremonies - "We'll have to get it on DVD and watch it later," Zorn said - and is staying in Cleveland, about an hour from Canton. The Redskins arrive in Canton Saturday afternoon

Spoke to Jon Jansen about returning to Canton, where he ruptured his Achilles on the first play of the 2004 preseason and missed the entire season. It was Joe Gibbs's first game back in the NFL, with Washington facing Denver in the Hall of Fame Game, and Jansen suffered the freak injury on the first drive of the season.

Jansen had started all 80 games of his NFL career to that point, as durable as they come, then missed all of the 2004 season and has missed 31 games total in the past four seasons, including all but one in 2007 (he broke his leg in the season opener). Jansen said that he cannot allow any memories of his last trip to Canton to influence him this weekend.

"If you go into a game worried about getting hurt, or your apprehensive, then there's a chance you're setting yourself up to get hurt," Jansen said. I wondered if the artificial surface on the high school field there had anything to do with it that Achilles injury, and Jansen said it's a Field Turf surface but, "I'm not sure exactly how it would compare to the Field Turf at an NFL stadium," Jansen said. Jansen said he would be very thorough during a walkthrough Sunday to make sure he had on the best possible footwear for the conditions of the surface.
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« Reply #76 on: August 01, 2008, 11:16:40 PM »

Another great read Bex!

I am gald that we did not put Rogers on the PUP list, it is a great sign that he is rehabbing well from a major injury.
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« Reply #77 on: August 04, 2008, 04:08:47 PM »

Zorn's Take; Kelly Update

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/08/jz_uncutmalcolm_kelly_update.html#more

I've compiled some highlights from Jim Zorn's presser, and we're also looking into Malcolm Kelly's status. From what we're hearing, arthroscopic knee surgery is likely - which would put him out at least 2-3 weeks - but the team's medical staff and coaches are in meetings and we are awaiting confirmation from the club.

As for the press conference:

Zorn liked what he saw from the draft class for the most part. QB Colt Brennan's performance grabbed some headlines, as he went 9-of-10 for 123 yards and two touchdowns, but after reviewing film of the game Zorn wants to see fewer passes put up for grabs. "He has to become a more disciplined quarterback, and not risk as much as he risked in the game," Zorn said, while praising Brennan's exuberance and flair.

On defense Zorn pointed to the big plays made by rookie DE Rob Jackson and S Chris Horton. Tight end Fred Davis (second round) was credited with playing tough and quickly turning upfield after his receptions.

"I was very pleased with way he handled some things one-on-one," said Zorn, who had watched the offensive film twice but the defensive film only once before meeting with the media.

Rookie Durant Brooks did not appear overwhelmed with the pressure. "There were no shanks, which I was happy about," Zorn said.

Rookie offensive lineman Chad Rinehart may have been the best of the bunch, filling in at two positions (the Redskins lost tackles Todd Wade and Stephon Heyer to minor injuries during the game).

"He will be a factor this year with a guy who can play both positions (tackle and guard)," Zorn said. "We wish we could keep him at one, but for a rookie to come in and be able to play both those positions and do decently, we're pretty excited about that."

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Zorn admitted he was caught by surprise when the Colts opened the game with an onside kick, but his special teams unit was not. After the game, special teams coach Danny Smith told Zorn he had prepared his players, knowing the Colts had attempted an onside kick in the same situation against a rookie coach in the past.

Zorn, who knows Smith well dating back to their time together on Detroit's staff, thanked him yesterday. The Redskins reacted well to the short kick, with Horton pouncing on the loose ball after special teams stalwart Khary Campbell failed to initially secure it.

"He got his guys ready for that particular possibility, and it happened," Zorn said. "I had nothing to do with that preparation. I did not warn Danny, 'Hey, I'm a rookie head coach, they may do this to me.' I'm ready to call plays."

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Zorn, who drew some criticism for incorrectly referring to the Redskins' colors as "maroon and black," during his introductory press conference in February, made a point of inserting "burgundy" into his remarks yesterday when commenting on the immense fan presence in Canton for Hall of Fame weekend. "It was like having a home game," Zorn said. "There was a lot of BURGUNDY in the audience."

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Under former Coach Joe Gibbs, the team would give awards after victories, with several players getting parking spots near the entrance to Redskins Park as well. Zorn said the club will be more judicious about the process now, having one award for offense, defense and special teams, and shuffling the parking spaces each week. "We won't be enshrining them for having one good game," Zorn said.
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« Reply #78 on: August 04, 2008, 04:20:59 PM »

^ I am glad that this article mentioned Rob Jackson, Rob played a really good game yesterday. He may push one of our veterans for a DE position. I think that he started last night too so he was not particularly playing against scrubs.
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« Reply #79 on: August 04, 2008, 04:38:40 PM »

Oh yeah, I definitely noticed Jackson last night.  I think he is going to make the team over Erasmus James
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« Reply #80 on: August 04, 2008, 07:09:27 PM »

Schweigert, Verdun-Wheeler Cut.
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« Reply #81 on: August 05, 2008, 02:00:45 PM »

Zorn Jabs Rookie WRs; Wade, Heyer Out 2 Weeks
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Jim Zorn said rookie WR Malcolm Kelly will remain in Florida today after having arthroscopic knee surgery Monday and admitted that the team's diagnosis that he will miss two weeks after getting 'scoped was "ambitious." Kelly and Devin Thomas, who remains out with a hamstring injury, were labeled as a bit brittle in college by some scouts I've spoken to, and Zorn said today that both showed up for camp in less-than-stellar shape.

"He wasn't in condition to go through a training camp like this," Zorn said of Kelly. "He really wasn't."

Kelly and Thomas could not pass the team's conditioning test and their bodies quickly wore down with two-a-day practices, Zorn said (players have to perform a timed shuttle run within certain parameters). Both will miss several more weeks of the preseason and will be quite far behind. Zorn said it will be difficult to count on them to have mastered much of this system by the start of the season - if they are healthy - and they will very much be behind.

"I've had this happen in other places I've coached," Zorn said of the rookie WRs getting hurt, "and it's very difficult [to get caught up]."

Zorn said he told the youngsters that he would be jabbing from time to time about their conditioning, attributing part of it to their being selected so high in the draft. "If you can't pass that physical test that we give," Zorn said, "then something's not right." Zorn said that if his knees would allow it, he would take the test himself right now. "It's sort of a pride issue," Zorn said.

Kelly and Thomas may each find a niche in the offense early on in a particular situation (maybe Kelly in the red zone and Thomas on some fly routes), but Zorn has made it clear that James Thrash is definitely the No. 3 WR, and he isn't counting on the rookie receivers for much early on.

Wade and Heyer Out Two Weeks

As for other injuries, reserve tackles Todd Wade (high ankle sprain) and Stephon Heyer (MCL strain) will both miss at least two weeks, Zorn said. That's a pretty huge deal to me, considering they are the second-string tackles, and with the first team barely playing again Saturday night, someone's gonna have to protect Todd Collins's neck.

I asked if veteran lineman Jason Fabini would shift back to tackle for the exhibition games, but Zorn said probably not, that he expects Fabini to stay at guard, where he ended up starting most of last season because of injuries. So rookie Chad Rinehart, who had been playing tackle and guard, is now a left tackle, Zorn said. Tavares Washington is likely in line for a lot of duty at tackle, too, in the next two games. If I'm Collins, I'm not loving this setup.

Schweigert's swan song

Zorn and safeties coach Steve Jackson said essentially the same thing about releasing veteran safety Stuart Schweigert -- he wasn't fitting in this system. Schweigert kept applying the technique he performed in Oakland, where the safeties are more programmed -- to this system, where it doesn't apply. Particularly for the back-up free safety, the Skins want a guy who plays at a higher speed and attacks the ball.

"We give our safeties here a lot more freedom. In Oakland it's more restricted and confined," Jackson said. "Our system is -- you've got the green light to go make plays. His was, 'I have to back-peddle like this, I have to move like this I have to stay right here.'"

Punting Schedule

The reviews of rookie punter Durant Brooke were favorable after he was given all of Sunday's game to show his stuff. Now, incumbent Derrick Frost will get all the punts Saturday night again Buffalo, Zorn said. The team may opt to alter punters by the half in the remaining three games, but if Brooks builds off of Sunday's performance, I have a feeling this will be his job.

Rogers' Recovery Continues

Carlos Rogers continues to take full work in practice and said he hopes to play in the third or fourth preseason game, but would understand if the team still holds him out. He has not experienced any setbacks from his knee surgery. "It feels good," Rogers said. "It's not like I'm limping around or anything."

Other Injuries

QB Colt Brennan was limited in practice today by a mild buttock strain. Really. ... DT Anthony Montgomery and LB Rian Wallace were back doing a lot of work after breaking their hands in a scrimmage. Zorn said the team is fashioning custom casts for them - Zorn was pretty fired up about the whole fabrication process and was foaming at the mouth to be able to get in there and help make them (seriously). Anyway, he says there is a chance both guys could play Saturday ... WR Anthony Mix is getting back to speed after missing two weeks with a hamstring strain.

Mason Looking Good

The Skins have a load of running backs, but Zorn continues to rave about the local kid and thinks there could be a roster spot for the youngster who spent last year on the practice squad.

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« Reply #82 on: August 05, 2008, 03:01:03 PM »

Hmmmm.  THe receivers better learn form their mistakes and never do this again.  Have them call DG28 this next offseason so they can be introduced to the hill.
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« Reply #83 on: August 05, 2008, 03:31:05 PM »

Finally a mention of Durant Brooks, I loved the way that he stuck that ball inside the 10 yard line Sunday.Soon after that we got the safety which shows that if we can get teams pinned down like that, that so many things could happen to lead to defensive scores.
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« Reply #84 on: August 06, 2008, 01:21:08 PM »

^ I am glad that this article mentioned Rob Jackson, Rob played a really good game yesterday. He may push one of our veterans for a DE position. I think that he started last night too so he was not particularly playing against scrubs.

did he ever play OLB that you know of?
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« Reply #85 on: August 06, 2008, 01:24:46 PM »

"Zorn has made it clear that James Thrash is definitely the No. 3 WR, and he isn't counting on the rookie receivers for much early on"

I think that that's the only way to go right now.
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« Reply #86 on: August 06, 2008, 11:55:31 PM »

^ I am glad that this article mentioned Rob Jackson, Rob played a really good game yesterday. He may push one of our veterans for a DE position. I think that he started last night too so he was not particularly playing against scrubs.

did he ever play OLB that you know of?

I  looked it up but I never saw him listed anywhere as a OLB but he has been playing pretty small at DE so that may be an option that we can look at.
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« Reply #87 on: August 06, 2008, 11:57:05 PM »

http://www.nfl.com/trainingcamp/story;jsessionid=0AFA8062C8B04654EF68D3535AF174D1?id=09000d5d809c3b19&template=with-video&confirm=true

ASHBURN, Va. -- Well, 11 guys were on the field every play, Jim Zorn said. His team committed four penalties for 30 yards -- no small feat in a first preseason game, never mind the first game for a first-time head coach.

So, the Redskins' new coach looked relaxed, yet focused after this Tuesday morning practice, just a couple of days after his Redskins coaching debut in a 30-16 victory over the Colts in the Hall of Fame Game. Calm, yet occupied. Pleased, but far from satisfied.

And the way he worked his team reflected all of that.

"We had good energy in the game and we've continued with that energy," Zorn said. "We're adjusting here, learning, coaches along with the players. There are certain things in the West Coast offense where every day an assistant coach will say, 'Hey, now I understand why you installed this particular thing this way. It makes sense now.' Before that, he was probably wondering what the heck I was doing. I know I did that when I learned the system from Mike Holmgren."

Zorn wants to keep it simple. Yet, he wants to be creative, insert "attachments" to the West Coast offense, all the while looking all of his players in the eye and telling them the truth. Say what he means. Mean what he says.

He said he has not had to offer a lot of barking to get his messages across. Not yet.

Cornerback Fred Smoot explained: "He is very Joe Gibbs-like in that he likes things done the right way. But coach Gibbs used a fear factor in his coaching. He was granddaddy-like in the way he worked. Coach Zorn is more interested in tempo. He is a little more vocal than coach Gibbs. A little more involved. We're growing together."

"Comfort zone" is the way quarterback Jason Campbell described it.

No one needs to have that kind of relationship with his head coach more than Campbell.

He is the key coach on the field in Zorn's offense.

Campbell is in his third system in four seasons. He looked -- in the preseason opener and in practices here -- on track to master this Zorn offense. Everyone here looks for more when Buffalo travels to play Washington on Saturday night in more preseason fare.

"I've learned a lot of football from the time I came here until now, what it takes in the NFL to persevere," Campbell said. "I think this could be a big payoff year for me and for us. Last year in the offense I was to throw intermediate passing routes and take some shots deep. Before that, I was not trusted much with no-huddle and my own play-calling, but that changed at the end of last year before I got hurt. I've got a lot of trust and options in this offense. It's exciting."

Campbell is exuding that in practices.

He has an extra bounce in his step. He is being asked to take longer strides and deeper drops and give his receivers more time to work free. He is being asked to deliver the ball with fire and with accuracy. Thus far, all elements are there.

"I've learned in this league," said Redskins safety LaRon Landry, "that if you make a mistake you better correct it on the next play. In college, you corrected mistakes at halftime. Here, and especially at quarterback, that is not a luxury you have. I see Jason getting that. He can be very good this year. We all can. And if we don't reach our goals, it will be all of our fault. It's all a mindset. The talent is there. We've got a special quarterback."

A quarterback in a new system with new nuances.

An entire offense that is adjusting, evolving, learning to complement each other in this new offense.

"It's probably the No. 1 key for us, how we familiarize ourselves as a team with this offense and how quickly we can effectively execute it," Vinny Cerrato, the Redskins general manager, said. "There are a lot of quick decisions across the board that have to be made in this offense and it is predicated on making yards after the catch."

The Redskins know that shifty receivers Santana Moss and Antwaan Randle El can do that. The Redskins drafted promising receivers Devin Thomas from Michigan State and Malcolm Kelly from Oklahoma to do it as well.

Thomas has been nursing a hamstring injury. Kelly just had his knee scoped and will miss a couple of weeks.

Last season, Campbell saw the right side of his offensive line go down to injury in the first game. Then Moss got hurt. Then Randle-El. Then there was Sean Taylor's murder. Then Campbell missed the final three games of the regular season and the playoffs due to a knee injury.

"That's how it went, bam, bam, bam," Campbell said. "We're looking for a little more good fortune health-wise, especially with our receivers. In a quick passing game where you are relying on receivers to make big plays after the catch, you have to have those receivers. I'm counting on that. If we get it, this offense will make a run. This team will make a run. I see an exciting season ahead."

He sees a training camp and preseason that he hopes builds practices that lead ever closer to perfection.

During practices here, Zorn is not asking his players to be robots. But he wants the routes run exactly, the passes thrown on the mark, the fundamentals of this West Coast offense executed.

Smoot said there is something worthwhile about execution and teamwork.

"The Giants just won the Super Bowl as a team," Smoot said. "New England, to me, was the team with the best players. But the best team won. The team that executed won. Coaches have been preaching that for years. Players saw it for themselves this time. We did. We took notice. We got it. I think it's showing in this camp."
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« Reply #88 on: August 07, 2008, 02:36:11 PM »

some interesting notes there

guess schmitt couldn't handle the pressure, sounds like Zorn is definitely interested in brennan
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