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« on: April 24, 2008, 07:54:36 AM »

Some food for thought for all of you Chad Johnson fans, courtesy of Football Outsiders.com:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3363588

When it comes to NFL wide receivers, the watchword of the day is "disgruntled." Chad Johnson is unhappy in Cincinnati and has demanded a trade. Anquan Boldin is unhappy in Arizona and has also demanded a trade. At least we know Boldin is unhappy about money; nobody seems to know why Johnson wants out of Cincinnati.

In recent years, adding a disgruntled wide receiver has provided the final piece of the puzzle for a number of Super Bowl contenders. Trading for Terrell Owens helped the 2004 Eagles finally advance to the Super Bowl. Trading for Randy Moss transformed the New England offense and led to a 16-0 regular season. It's no wonder numerous teams have contacted Cincinnati and Arizona, trying to talk trade.

However, if the Bengals and Cardinals give in to the trade demands, it may not mean as much as people think. NFL teams that add a star wide receiver don't actually have a very good record of improvement.

Of course, there is no precedent for a consistent wide receiver of Johnson's caliber changing teams. Johnson was third in the NFL last year with 1,440 receiving yards, and has five straight seasons with at least 1,200 receiving yards. No wide receiver in NFL history has ever changed teams after two straight 1,200-yard seasons, let alone five. No wide receiver has ever changed teams after five straight 1,000-yard seasons, and only two changed teams after four (Owens and Muhsin Muhammad).

Since the AFL-NFL merger in 1970, only six different receivers have changed teams after a 1,200-yard season.  Each of the teams that lost a 1,200-yard receiver suffered except for the 2005 Panthers, but that's a special case -- they lost Muhammad, but they also got Steve Smith back from the broken leg that cost him nearly all of 2004, and he moved right back into the No. 1 receiver role.

Meanwhile, the teams that added these receivers generally didn't get any better. By far the biggest improvement came from the 2005 Bears, but that had a lot more to do with defense than it did with signing Muhammad. Of these six wide receivers, Laveranues Coles was the only one who gained 1,000 yards in his first season with his new team.

Loosen the restrictions to get a bigger group of receivers, and the analysis gives pretty much the same result: Teams that lose a top receiver usually decline, but despite what we've seen in recent years from Owens and Moss, the average team that gains a top receiver doesn't improve.

For example, let's look at a group that would include not only Johnson but also Boldin: receivers who gained 1,000 yards the previous season or a combined 2,000 yards the previous two seasons. Twenty-eight receivers qualify for a total of 31 seasons, since three receivers did it twice (Coles, Tony Martin and Keenan McCardell). Note that Moss counts only when he went from Minnesota to Oakland, not when he went from Oakland to New England, because of his poor 2006 season.

The 31 teams that lost these receivers dropped from an average of 7.3 wins to an average of 6.6 wins. But the 31 teams that picked up these receivers also dropped slightly, from an average of 7.9 wins to an average of 7.8 wins.

Even if we look at the teams with the biggest improvement, it is hard to say that the new receivers made a big difference. The 2004 Chargers had already turned things around by the time they picked up McCardell at midseason. The 2002 Colts bounced back because Edgerrin James returned from his ACL injury, not because they added Qadry Ismail. Brett Perriman had nothing to do with the 1997 Chiefs going 13-3; he caught just six passes and Kansas City released him after five games. I already mentioned Muhammad above. Of the five receivers whose new teams gained four wins or more, the only one who really had a major impact was Tony Martin joining the 1998 Falcons, who didn't have a 1,000-yard receiver the year before.

One reason these players haven't been more important to their new teams is that 1,000-yard receivers who change teams have usually tended to be very good No. 2 receivers like Boldin, rather than superstars like Johnson. Only 15 of these 31 receivers led both their old team and their new team in receiving yards. This group had a slightly positive effect, with teams that picked up these players going from an average of 7.7 wins to an average of 8.1 wins.

As I said earlier, no player with Johnson's pedigree has ever changed teams in the offseason. Just because guys like Derrick Mason and Yancey Thigpen weren't major difference-makers when they changed teams, that doesn't mean Johnson couldn't transform an offense that desperately needed a No. 1 receiver (hello, Jacksonville). Obviously, this analysis doesn't do a good job of measuring the transformative power of Owens in Philadelphia or Moss in New England. Owens helped the Eagles win more playoff games, not more regular-season games. Moss and the 2007 Patriots don't even show up in the analysis because he was so bad in Oakland.

On the other hand, Owens and Moss have each switched teams twice, and neither one made as much of a difference the other time. The Cowboys signed Owens and went from 9-7 to … 9-7. Even after trading for Moss, the Raiders' offense was still a joke.

Nothing guarantees Johnson will help carry his new team to the Super Bowl the way Owens and Moss did for the Eagles and Patriots. Odds are that the loss of Johnson or Boldin will hurt Cincinnati or Arizona more than the addition will help their new teams.

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« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2008, 08:36:11 AM »

You really cant compare 85 to other receivers...he is top 5.
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« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2008, 08:39:23 AM »

Another article hating on the guy ...what's new?

If a team is in need of a receiver, they should go after one and the better the receiver the lesser the need becomes.
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« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2008, 08:43:55 AM »

But, when a team has so many bigger holes at key positions, we could have the Posse in its prime and it wouldn't matter.  Chad Johnson by himself won't win us a Super Bowl and giving up a first, third and tons of salary cap space will do more harm than good to this team. 
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« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2008, 11:48:25 AM »

Patriots 16-0 - Moss, Welker
Steelers 10-6 Ward, Holmes (big Ben unhappy)
Browns 10-6 Edwards
Colts- 13-3 Wayne, Harrison, AG
Jags 11-5 no elite WR but their Qb threw like 1 int all year
Chargers 11-5 Jackson, Gates(TE)
Cowboys 13-3 T.O.
Giants 10-6 (SB) Plax, Toomer
Packers 13-3 Driver, Jennings w/Farve

Teams with elite WR talents but stunk
Arizona- 8-8 no qb
Detroit- 7-9 no qb
Cinci- 7-9 no D. Coaching stinks

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« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2008, 11:57:34 AM »

I dont see us as having that many holes except maybe for depth issues.
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« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2008, 12:02:23 PM »

Patriots 16-0 - Moss, Welker
Steelers 10-6 Ward, Holmes (big Ben unhappy)
Browns 10-6 Edwards
Colts- 13-3 Wayne, Harrison, AG
Jags 11-5 no elite WR but their Qb threw like 1 int all year
Chargers 11-5 Jackson, Gates(TE)
Cowboys 13-3 T.O.
Giants 10-6 (SB) Plax, Toomer
Packers 13-3 Driver, Jennings w/Farve

Teams with elite WR talents but stunk
Arizona- 8-8 no qb
Detroit- 7-9 no qb
Cinci- 7-9 no D. Coaching stinks



You miss the point here.  We're talking teams TRADING FOR elite receivers.  Other than the Patriots and Cowboys, you're talking teams that drafted their own players.  Plus, the Cowboys and Patriots already have a solid foundation in place where they have back-ups and up-and-coming young players upon which they can rely.  We don't have that foundation and we need to build that FIRST.

I dont see us as having that many holes except maybe for depth issues.

Please explain how the Redskins don't have many holes?
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« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2008, 12:10:46 PM »

Other than the Patriots and Cowboys, you're talking teams that drafted their own players. 

And the Giants drafted Plaxico, right?
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« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2008, 12:12:38 PM »

I also don't think the Skins are far from being able to compete. We were a playoff team last year. With our mix of talent and age we have a chance to compete for about 2 more years before we have to start "rebuilding". We need to get the most out of Springs, JAnsen, Fletcher, Thomas, Samuels, Kendall, Rabach, Carter, Moss while we still can.
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« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2008, 12:23:04 PM »

Other than the Patriots and Cowboys, you're talking teams that drafted their own players. 

And the Giants drafted Plaxico, right?

Okay, that's one I left out.  But, again, those three teams already were set with a solid foundation and mix of young players and seasoned veterans.  We don't have that here and I think it's more important to use this draft to build that.

I also don't think the Skins are far from being able to compete. We were a playoff team last year. With our mix of talent and age we have a chance to compete for about 2 more years before we have to start "rebuilding". We need to get the most out of Springs, JAnsen, Fletcher, Thomas, Samuels, Kendall, Rabach, Carter, Moss while we still can.

Springs is a 34-year-old cornerback recovering from injury.  Fletcher had a GREAT season here, but he, too, is 34.  Jansen and Thomas are in their '30s and coming off season-ending injuries.  Kendall is 34 with arthritic knees.  Do you mean we're going to go into the season and "hope" these guys don't get hurt and still have something left in the tank?  Right now, we have no type of contigency plan.  If we did, we wouldn't have to move Lorenzo Alexander from defense to offense, we wouldn't have to depend on the waiver wire and we wouldn't need Cooley to stay in and block after he was doing so much damage catching the ball.  While Samuels, Carter and Moss still, I believe, have a few good years in them, NOW is the time to start drafting for the future so that in those "two more years" you alluded to, the guys we select Saturday will be ready to take over.  At the very least, I'd feel more comfortable getting the beginnings of a group of young, hungry players ready to step in after we groom them. 
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« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2008, 02:18:38 PM »

My point with those guys I listed is all of them COULD be healthy next year and if they are we can be a very good team with an upgrade at WR and some solid depth through the draft. We would still have 8 picks if we traded for CJ/RW/AB and right now the team is clearly not sure of what they want at 21.
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« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2008, 02:37:52 PM »

My point with those guys I listed is all of them COULD be healthy next year and if they are we can be a very good team with an upgrade at WR and some solid depth through the draft. We would still have 8 picks if we traded for CJ/RW/AB and right now the team is clearly not sure of what they want at 21.

But, wouldn't you rather have players on hand who could step in should we become plagued with injuries instead of going into the season hoping they'll be healthy?  Also, when those guys you mentioned do have to step down, we have players who have been groomed for those two years who contribute immediately once they replace the incumbents.   
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« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2008, 05:39:05 PM »

I think the draft is very important and even if we trade for a Wr we have 8 draft picks. On redskins radio Vinny said they plan on signing 12 undrafted free agents and they will have a roster of 90. It is possible to get good players in the draft while fixing a hole with a vet.
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« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2008, 06:03:14 PM »

I think the draft is very important and even if we trade for a Wr we have 8 draft picks. On redskins radio Vinny said they plan on signing 12 undrafted free agents and they will have a roster of 90. It is possible to get good players in the draft while fixing a hole with a vet.

I hear that, but is it really a wise move to tie up $21 million into one player when we could use that amount to sign multiple players at different positions?
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« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2008, 06:30:11 PM »

I think the draft is very important and even if we trade for a Wr we have 8 draft picks. On redskins radio Vinny said they plan on signing 12 undrafted free agents and they will have a roster of 90. It is possible to get good players in the draft while fixing a hole with a vet.

I hear that, but is it really a wise move to tie up $21 million into one player when we could use that amount to sign multiple players at different positions?

I think for a player like Chad Johnson yes. I think the draft is so hit or miss in round 1 for someone who you have to pay big money.
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