Sources: Skins Offer '08 First-Rounder, '09 Pick for Johnson; Cincy Says No

[stwasm]

Well, it's confirmed! This team is run by jackasses! We're going to -- once again -- sacrifice high draft picks for the future to acquire some me-first clown who has the potential to do just as much damage in the locker room with his attitude as he can to opposing secondaries. We lose out on a chance to get a blue-chip pass-rusher who could take pressure off Andre Carter for someone who, while adding a weapon for the offense, takes away from our ability to build much-needed depth. It's been proven time and time again that the win-now approach doesn't work in the NFL, yet those bozos in the FO just don't want to get it. God help us if the Bengals change their minds!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3358557

How serious are the Cincinnati Bengals about not giving in to Chad Johnson's trade demands?



 
Johnson

Serious enough to swat away an offer from the Washington Redskins that could have netted the Bengals two first-round draft picks, team and league sources said.

The Redskins offered its first-round pick, No. 21 overall, and a conditional third-rounder in 2009 that could escalate to a first rounder if Johnson and the Redskins hit certain performance levels, the sources said.

It was not the first time the Redskins approached the Bengals about a deal, but it was the first significant proposal.

The Bengals have not only rejected the Redskins, but two other NFC East suitors -- the Dallas Cowboys and Philadelphia Eagles -- have been informed that there has been no change in the team's position that Johnson will not be traded.

The Bengals have noted to those suitors that Johnson has been the "second-highest paid receiver" in the NFL during the past three years, indignant about suggestions that Johnson also wants a new contract, the sources said.

Trading Johnson also would mean Cincinnati would take an $8 million salary-cap hit, but that amount could be split over the next two years. Additionally, as one owner who wished to remain anonymous told ESPN.com, "There's nothing wrong with dead money. It's cash already paid and it's cash back in your pocket that you don't have to spend, especially with the [high] amount of everyone's salary cap these days."

[Mike Bass]

Well, it's confirmed! This team is run by jackasses! We're going to -- once again -- sacrifice high draft picks for the future to acquire some me-first clown who has the potential to do just as much damage in the locker room with his attitude as he can to opposing secondaries. We lose out on a chance to get a blue-chip pass-rusher who could take pressure off Andre Carter for someone who, while adding a weapon for the offense, takes away from our ability to build much-needed depth. It's been proven time and time again that the win-now approach doesn't work in the NFL, yet those bozos in the FO just don't want to get it. God help us if the Bengals change their minds!

This statement is not true at all. If the Bengals would have went for this trade this would have been a perfect trade for the team. We are talking about a #21 in the first round where it seems that nothing of value is going to be there to benefit us anyway vs. an all pro receiver .

If the trade does not work out I do not think that we will be getting any "blue-chip" pass rusher with the pick anyways.


EDIT: MAN and they were talking only a conditional 3RD round pick in '09...THAT WOULD BE PERFECT!!!

[stwasm]

Well, it's confirmed! This team is run by jackasses! We're going to -- once again -- sacrifice high draft picks for the future to acquire some me-first clown who has the potential to do just as much damage in the locker room with his attitude as he can to opposing secondaries. We lose out on a chance to get a blue-chip pass-rusher who could take pressure off Andre Carter for someone who, while adding a weapon for the offense, takes away from our ability to build much-needed depth. It's been proven time and time again that the win-now approach doesn't work in the NFL, yet those bozos in the FO just don't want to get it. God help us if the Bengals change their minds!

This statement is not true at all. If the Bengals would have went for this trade this would have been a perfect trade for the team. We are talking about a #21 in the first round where it seems that nothing of value is going to be there to benefit us anyway vs. an all pro receiver .

If the trade does not work out I do not think that we will be getting any "blue-chip" pass rusher with the pick anyways.


EDIT: MAN and they were talking only a conditional 3RD round pick in '09...THAT WOULD BE PERFECT!!!

Too steep a price for a certified head case.  No, thank you.  I'd rather take my chances in the draft.  The FO is more concerned with the bottom line and selling shirts.  Meantime,

http://www.bengals.com/news/news.asp?story_id=6737

Cincy Denies Any Trade Offer From Skins

Lewis also denied an ESPN report that the Bengals turned down the Redskins' offer of a first-round pick this year and potentially next for Chad Johnson.

Citing team and league sources, ESPN.com says that the Redskins offered their first-round pick, No. 21 overall this year, and a conditional third-rounder in 2009 that could escalate to a first rounder if Johnson and the Redskins hit certain performance levels,

But speaking at a Tuesday news conference for this weekend's draft, Lewis said that Bengals president "Mike Brown has not received a phone call."

The club has been adamant in not trading the disgruntled five-time Pro Bowl wide receiver and ESPN's Chris Mortensen said the Eagles and Cowboys have also been told Johnson is not on the market.

With Johnson talking retirement if the Bengals don't trade him, Lewis said, "He's a man of his word. He says he's not going to play, so don't play."

[Mike Bass]

Well, it's confirmed! This team is run by jackasses! We're going to -- once again -- sacrifice high draft picks for the future to acquire some me-first clown who has the potential to do just as much damage in the locker room with his attitude as he can to opposing secondaries. We lose out on a chance to get a blue-chip pass-rusher who could take pressure off Andre Carter for someone who, while adding a weapon for the offense, takes away from our ability to build much-needed depth. It's been proven time and time again that the win-now approach doesn't work in the NFL, yet those bozos in the FO just don't want to get it. God help us if the Bengals change their minds!

This statement is not true at all. If the Bengals would have went for this trade this would have been a perfect trade for the team. We are talking about a #21 in the first round where it seems that nothing of value is going to be there to benefit us anyway vs. an all pro receiver .

If the trade does not work out I do not think that we will be getting any "blue-chip" pass rusher with the pick anyways.


EDIT: MAN and they were talking only a conditional 3RD round pick in '09...THAT WOULD BE PERFECT!!!

Too steep a price for a certified head case.  No, thank you.  I'd rather take my chances in the draft.  The FO is more concerned with the bottom line and selling shirts.  Meantime,

http://www.bengals.com/news/news.asp?story_id=6737

Cincy Denies Any Trade Offer From Skins

Lewis also denied an ESPN report that the Bengals turned down the Redskins' offer of a first-round pick this year and potentially next for Chad Johnson.

Citing team and league sources, ESPN.com says that the Redskins offered their first-round pick, No. 21 overall this year, and a conditional third-rounder in 2009 that could escalate to a first rounder if Johnson and the Redskins hit certain performance levels,

But speaking at a Tuesday news conference for this weekend's draft, Lewis said that Bengals president "Mike Brown has not received a phone call."

The club has been adamant in not trading the disgruntled five-time Pro Bowl wide receiver and ESPN's Chris Mortensen said the Eagles and Cowboys have also been told Johnson is not on the market.

With Johnson talking retirement if the Bengals don't trade him, Lewis said, "He's a man of his word. He says he's not going to play, so don't play."

Cerrato did not comment on the trade rumor and called it hearsay.

Stwasm, I think that your problem is with Snyder and has nothing to do with Chad.

Some people will label anyone who says anything "head cases" I think that these people are unrealistic and would rather live in a soft world but it's not like that, everybody is not going to be "yes" men and live life with their mouths closed and a "possum" grin on their face.

I don't blame CJ, if I am unhappy in a situation and want to get out of it I am going to let you know rather than sit back and get "wetted" on.

Now THAT would be certifiable.

And before someone talks about a contract that he signed, I am sure that there was not a clause in the contract that stated that the Bengals was going to "wet" on CJ after it was signed and he was to like it or lump it.

[stwasm]

Well, it's confirmed! This team is run by jackasses! We're going to -- once again -- sacrifice high draft picks for the future to acquire some me-first clown who has the potential to do just as much damage in the locker room with his attitude as he can to opposing secondaries. We lose out on a chance to get a blue-chip pass-rusher who could take pressure off Andre Carter for someone who, while adding a weapon for the offense, takes away from our ability to build much-needed depth. It's been proven time and time again that the win-now approach doesn't work in the NFL, yet those bozos in the FO just don't want to get it. God help us if the Bengals change their minds!

This statement is not true at all. If the Bengals would have went for this trade this would have been a perfect trade for the team. We are talking about a #21 in the first round where it seems that nothing of value is going to be there to benefit us anyway vs. an all pro receiver .

If the trade does not work out I do not think that we will be getting any "blue-chip" pass rusher with the pick anyways.


EDIT: MAN and they were talking only a conditional 3RD round pick in '09...THAT WOULD BE PERFECT!!!

Too steep a price for a certified head case.  No, thank you.  I'd rather take my chances in the draft.  The FO is more concerned with the bottom line and selling shirts.  Meantime,

http://www.bengals.com/news/news.asp?story_id=6737

Cincy Denies Any Trade Offer From Skins

Lewis also denied an ESPN report that the Bengals turned down the Redskins' offer of a first-round pick this year and potentially next for Chad Johnson.

Citing team and league sources, ESPN.com says that the Redskins offered their first-round pick, No. 21 overall this year, and a conditional third-rounder in 2009 that could escalate to a first rounder if Johnson and the Redskins hit certain performance levels,

But speaking at a Tuesday news conference for this weekend's draft, Lewis said that Bengals president "Mike Brown has not received a phone call."

The club has been adamant in not trading the disgruntled five-time Pro Bowl wide receiver and ESPN's Chris Mortensen said the Eagles and Cowboys have also been told Johnson is not on the market.

With Johnson talking retirement if the Bengals don't trade him, Lewis said, "He's a man of his word. He says he's not going to play, so don't play."

Cerrato did not comment on the trade rumor and called it hearsay.

Stwasm, I think that your problem is with Snyder and has nothing to do with Chad.

Some people will label anyone who says anything "head cases" I think that these people are unrealistic and would rather live in a soft world but it's not like that, everybody is not going to be "yes" men and live life with their mouths closed and a "possum" grin on their face.

I don't blame CJ, if I am unhappy in a situation and want to get out of it I am going to let you know rather than sit back and get "wetted" on.

Now THAT would be certifiable.

And before someone talks about a contract that he signed, I am sure that there was not a clause in the contract that stated that the Bengals was going to "wet" on CJ after it was signed and he was to like it or lump it.

But does he have to express his unhappiness the way he is through the media, going on every radio station during Super Bowl week, saying, "I want to play for this team, I want to play for that team?"  When he comes here and the winning doesn't start automatically, what's going to stop him from whining that the team isn't committed to winning?  He didn't have any problems with the Bengals when he signed that fat contract he has now.  So, why is it suddenly not good enough and he needs a new one?  Again, who's to say the same scenario won't happen here?  To me, he's more trouble than he's worth and what we'd have to give up to get him would hurt us in the long run.  Acquiring him at that price is a win-now, fantasy-football move -- something this organization has tried to do since the turn of the century, netting very little in the way of results.  For every Redskin who says Chad is such a great guy, there are just as many who don't like his personality.  I think he'd be a divisive force in the locker room and we just don't need that.

[blitzfiftysix]

DO IT MAN.  DO IT!

[stwasm]

DO IT MAN.  DO IT!

We need to quit giving away draft picks like they're candy.  The Indianpolises, New Englands, Pittsburghs and New York Giants of the world (by the way, the NFL's last four Super Bowl champions) use ALL of their draft picks and get plenty of return from them.  In fact, each of the Giants draft picks played during the playoffs and made solid contributions.  We need to get off the "Star Search" thing and build from within with young, hungry talent with something to prove.  We've jock-sniffed since 2000 and it's netted us a grand total of one playoff win.  Who's to say once Chad gets his contract, he won't become a fat, happy cat who doesn't need to work hard?  Who's to say Chad won't start whining because JC doesn't throw him the ball enough or the team isn't doing due diligence in making itself better?  This team has LOTS of holes and that makes EVERY draft pick we have crucial in filling them.  A 30-something, me-first clown, in the long term, is not the answer for this ball club.

[Mike Bass]

Well, it's confirmed! This team is run by jackasses! We're going to -- once again -- sacrifice high draft picks for the future to acquire some me-first clown who has the potential to do just as much damage in the locker room with his attitude as he can to opposing secondaries. We lose out on a chance to get a blue-chip pass-rusher who could take pressure off Andre Carter for someone who, while adding a weapon for the offense, takes away from our ability to build much-needed depth. It's been proven time and time again that the win-now approach doesn't work in the NFL, yet those bozos in the FO just don't want to get it. God help us if the Bengals change their minds!

This statement is not true at all. If the Bengals would have went for this trade this would have been a perfect trade for the team. We are talking about a #21 in the first round where it seems that nothing of value is going to be there to benefit us anyway vs. an all pro receiver .

If the trade does not work out I do not think that we will be getting any "blue-chip" pass rusher with the pick anyways.


EDIT: MAN and they were talking only a conditional 3RD round pick in '09...THAT WOULD BE PERFECT!!!

Too steep a price for a certified head case.  No, thank you.  I'd rather take my chances in the draft.  The FO is more concerned with the bottom line and selling shirts.  Meantime,

http://www.bengals.com/news/news.asp?story_id=6737

Cincy Denies Any Trade Offer From Skins

Lewis also denied an ESPN report that the Bengals turned down the Redskins' offer of a first-round pick this year and potentially next for Chad Johnson.

Citing team and league sources, ESPN.com says that the Redskins offered their first-round pick, No. 21 overall this year, and a conditional third-rounder in 2009 that could escalate to a first rounder if Johnson and the Redskins hit certain performance levels,

But speaking at a Tuesday news conference for this weekend's draft, Lewis said that Bengals president "Mike Brown has not received a phone call."

The club has been adamant in not trading the disgruntled five-time Pro Bowl wide receiver and ESPN's Chris Mortensen said the Eagles and Cowboys have also been told Johnson is not on the market.

With Johnson talking retirement if the Bengals don't trade him, Lewis said, "He's a man of his word. He says he's not going to play, so don't play."

Cerrato did not comment on the trade rumor and called it hearsay.

Stwasm, I think that your problem is with Snyder and has nothing to do with Chad.

Some people will label anyone who says anything "head cases" I think that these people are unrealistic and would rather live in a soft world but it's not like that, everybody is not going to be "yes" men and live life with their mouths closed and a "possum" grin on their face.

I don't blame CJ, if I am unhappy in a situation and want to get out of it I am going to let you know rather than sit back and get "wetted" on.

Now THAT would be certifiable.

And before someone talks about a contract that he signed, I am sure that there was not a clause in the contract that stated that the Bengals was going to "wet" on CJ after it was signed and he was to like it or lump it.

But does he have to express his unhappiness the way he is through the media, going on every radio station during Super Bowl week, saying, "I want to play for this team, I want to play for that team?"  When he comes here and the winning doesn't start automatically, what's going to stop him from whining that the team isn't committed to winning?  He didn't have any problems with the Bengals when he signed that fat contract he has now.  So, why is it suddenly not good enough and he needs a new one?  Again, who's to say the same scenario won't happen here?  To me, he's more trouble than he's worth and what we'd have to give up to get him would hurt us in the long run.  Acquiring him at that price is a win-now, fantasy-football move -- something this organization has tried to do since the turn of the century, netting very little in the way of results.  For every Redskin who says Chad is such a great guy, there are just as many who don't like his personality.  I think he'd be a divisive force in the locker room and we just don't need that.

Chad Johnson for a 21st pick and a 3rd rounder in the following year which we could probably get back before then is definitely not a fantasy football move.

Also, I think that most of what you state is assumptions and has no merit whatsoever... IF this happpens...IF that happens...Some of the players may not like him...He may divide the locker room..., instead of understanding the fact that getting CJ would improve our WR position and our football team as a whole immmensly, and we would have 8 more draft picks which would include a 2nd rounder and two 3rds to work on other positions.

[stwasm]

Well, it's confirmed! This team is run by jackasses! We're going to -- once again -- sacrifice high draft picks for the future to acquire some me-first clown who has the potential to do just as much damage in the locker room with his attitude as he can to opposing secondaries. We lose out on a chance to get a blue-chip pass-rusher who could take pressure off Andre Carter for someone who, while adding a weapon for the offense, takes away from our ability to build much-needed depth. It's been proven time and time again that the win-now approach doesn't work in the NFL, yet those bozos in the FO just don't want to get it. God help us if the Bengals change their minds!

This statement is not true at all. If the Bengals would have went for this trade this would have been a perfect trade for the team. We are talking about a #21 in the first round where it seems that nothing of value is going to be there to benefit us anyway vs. an all pro receiver .

If the trade does not work out I do not think that we will be getting any "blue-chip" pass rusher with the pick anyways.


EDIT: MAN and they were talking only a conditional 3RD round pick in '09...THAT WOULD BE PERFECT!!!

Too steep a price for a certified head case.  No, thank you.  I'd rather take my chances in the draft.  The FO is more concerned with the bottom line and selling shirts.  Meantime,

http://www.bengals.com/news/news.asp?story_id=6737

Cincy Denies Any Trade Offer From Skins

Lewis also denied an ESPN report that the Bengals turned down the Redskins' offer of a first-round pick this year and potentially next for Chad Johnson.

Citing team and league sources, ESPN.com says that the Redskins offered their first-round pick, No. 21 overall this year, and a conditional third-rounder in 2009 that could escalate to a first rounder if Johnson and the Redskins hit certain performance levels,

But speaking at a Tuesday news conference for this weekend's draft, Lewis said that Bengals president "Mike Brown has not received a phone call."

The club has been adamant in not trading the disgruntled five-time Pro Bowl wide receiver and ESPN's Chris Mortensen said the Eagles and Cowboys have also been told Johnson is not on the market.

With Johnson talking retirement if the Bengals don't trade him, Lewis said, "He's a man of his word. He says he's not going to play, so don't play."

Cerrato did not comment on the trade rumor and called it hearsay.

Stwasm, I think that your problem is with Snyder and has nothing to do with Chad.

Some people will label anyone who says anything "head cases" I think that these people are unrealistic and would rather live in a soft world but it's not like that, everybody is not going to be "yes" men and live life with their mouths closed and a "possum" grin on their face.

I don't blame CJ, if I am unhappy in a situation and want to get out of it I am going to let you know rather than sit back and get "wetted" on.

Now THAT would be certifiable.

And before someone talks about a contract that he signed, I am sure that there was not a clause in the contract that stated that the Bengals was going to "wet" on CJ after it was signed and he was to like it or lump it.

But does he have to express his unhappiness the way he is through the media, going on every radio station during Super Bowl week, saying, "I want to play for this team, I want to play for that team?"  When he comes here and the winning doesn't start automatically, what's going to stop him from whining that the team isn't committed to winning?  He didn't have any problems with the Bengals when he signed that fat contract he has now.  So, why is it suddenly not good enough and he needs a new one?  Again, who's to say the same scenario won't happen here?  To me, he's more trouble than he's worth and what we'd have to give up to get him would hurt us in the long run.  Acquiring him at that price is a win-now, fantasy-football move -- something this organization has tried to do since the turn of the century, netting very little in the way of results.  For every Redskin who says Chad is such a great guy, there are just as many who don't like his personality.  I think he'd be a divisive force in the locker room and we just don't need that.

Chad Johnson for a 21st pick and a 3rd rounder in the following year which we could probably get back before then is definitely not a fantasy football move.

Also, I think that most of what you state is assumptions and has no merit whatsoever... IF this happpens...IF that happens...Some of the players may not like him...He may divide the locker room..., instead of understanding the fact that getting CJ would improve our WR position and our football team as a whole immmensly, and we would have 8 more draft picks which would include a 2nd rounder and two 3rds to work on other positions.

Mike, here's my point.  It's been proven that bringing in "superstars" doesn't win championships in the NFL.  We've been doing this since 2000 and it's netted us a grand total of one playoff win.  If we draft wisely, groom our OWN talent and build from within, with some patience, this team can become a consistent winner, on par with the New Englands, Indianapolises and Pittsburghs of the world, who, by the way, have enjoyed sustained success by not going "buck-wild" in free agency every year.  The New York Giants had ALL of their 2007 draft picks playing and contributed solidly during their Super Bowl run. 

Chad Johnson may be an elite receiver and may help the offense, but I seem to recall the defense losing some winnable games (New York Giants, Philadelphia, Green Bay, Dallas, Buffalo) after giving up big plays because of no consistent pash rush and mistakes in the secondary.  How exactly does adding a wide receiver address the glaring needs on defense?

[Mike Bass]

Well, it's confirmed! This team is run by jackasses! We're going to -- once again -- sacrifice high draft picks for the future to acquire some me-first clown who has the potential to do just as much damage in the locker room with his attitude as he can to opposing secondaries. We lose out on a chance to get a blue-chip pass-rusher who could take pressure off Andre Carter for someone who, while adding a weapon for the offense, takes away from our ability to build much-needed depth. It's been proven time and time again that the win-now approach doesn't work in the NFL, yet those bozos in the FO just don't want to get it. God help us if the Bengals change their minds!

This statement is not true at all. If the Bengals would have went for this trade this would have been a perfect trade for the team. We are talking about a #21 in the first round where it seems that nothing of value is going to be there to benefit us anyway vs. an all pro receiver .

If the trade does not work out I do not think that we will be getting any "blue-chip" pass rusher with the pick anyways.


EDIT: MAN and they were talking only a conditional 3RD round pick in '09...THAT WOULD BE PERFECT!!!

Too steep a price for a certified head case.  No, thank you.  I'd rather take my chances in the draft.  The FO is more concerned with the bottom line and selling shirts.  Meantime,

http://www.bengals.com/news/news.asp?story_id=6737

Cincy Denies Any Trade Offer From Skins

Lewis also denied an ESPN report that the Bengals turned down the Redskins' offer of a first-round pick this year and potentially next for Chad Johnson.

Citing team and league sources, ESPN.com says that the Redskins offered their first-round pick, No. 21 overall this year, and a conditional third-rounder in 2009 that could escalate to a first rounder if Johnson and the Redskins hit certain performance levels,

But speaking at a Tuesday news conference for this weekend's draft, Lewis said that Bengals president "Mike Brown has not received a phone call."

The club has been adamant in not trading the disgruntled five-time Pro Bowl wide receiver and ESPN's Chris Mortensen said the Eagles and Cowboys have also been told Johnson is not on the market.

With Johnson talking retirement if the Bengals don't trade him, Lewis said, "He's a man of his word. He says he's not going to play, so don't play."

Cerrato did not comment on the trade rumor and called it hearsay.

Stwasm, I think that your problem is with Snyder and has nothing to do with Chad.

Some people will label anyone who says anything "head cases" I think that these people are unrealistic and would rather live in a soft world but it's not like that, everybody is not going to be "yes" men and live life with their mouths closed and a "possum" grin on their face.

I don't blame CJ, if I am unhappy in a situation and want to get out of it I am going to let you know rather than sit back and get "wetted" on.

Now THAT would be certifiable.

And before someone talks about a contract that he signed, I am sure that there was not a clause in the contract that stated that the Bengals was going to "wet" on CJ after it was signed and he was to like it or lump it.

But does he have to express his unhappiness the way he is through the media, going on every radio station during Super Bowl week, saying, "I want to play for this team, I want to play for that team?"  When he comes here and the winning doesn't start automatically, what's going to stop him from whining that the team isn't committed to winning?  He didn't have any problems with the Bengals when he signed that fat contract he has now.  So, why is it suddenly not good enough and he needs a new one?  Again, who's to say the same scenario won't happen here?  To me, he's more trouble than he's worth and what we'd have to give up to get him would hurt us in the long run.  Acquiring him at that price is a win-now, fantasy-football move -- something this organization has tried to do since the turn of the century, netting very little in the way of results.  For every Redskin who says Chad is such a great guy, there are just as many who don't like his personality.  I think he'd be a divisive force in the locker room and we just don't need that.

Chad Johnson for a 21st pick and a 3rd rounder in the following year which we could probably get back before then is definitely not a fantasy football move.

Also, I think that most of what you state is assumptions and has no merit whatsoever... IF this happpens...IF that happens...Some of the players may not like him...He may divide the locker room..., instead of understanding the fact that getting CJ would improve our WR position and our football team as a whole immmensly, and we would have 8 more draft picks which would include a 2nd rounder and two 3rds to work on other positions.

Mike, here's my point.  It's been proven that bringing in "superstars" doesn't win championships in the NFL.  We've been doing this since 2000 and it's netted us a grand total of one playoff win.  If we draft wisely, groom our OWN talent and build from within, with some patience, this team can become a consistent winner, on par with the New Englands, Indianapolises and Pittsburghs of the world, who, by the way, have enjoyed sustained success by not going "buck-wild" in free agency every year.  The New York Giants had ALL of their 2007 draft picks playing and contributed solidly during their Super Bowl run. 

Chad Johnson may be an elite receiver and may help the offense, but I seem to recall the defense losing some winnable games (New York Giants, Philadelphia, Green Bay, Dallas, Buffalo) after giving up big plays because of no consistent pash rush and mistakes in the secondary.  How exactly does adding a wide receiver address the glaring needs on defense?

Stwasm, I understand where you are going but we have not landed any superstar. What we did in the past was make some atrocious FA signings by reaching for a player's  with "potential" (Adam Archuletta, Brandon Lloyd, ARE, David Patten) rather than player's who's worth was proven. Even in Snyder's first year when he picked up Sanders, Smith and Reed, their superstar days was well over with.

I also see where you are going with the draft picks but I think that you are blocking some things out and failing to evaluate where we are picking in the draft and the players who are going to be there when we do pick. I would be on board with you if we were in position to get a player like Julius Pepper and Kevin Williams, a few years ago or Mario Williams a couple of years ago or even Okoye lasy year but where we are drafting now is not going to net us a player of that caliber so signing CJ would be much more feasible than reaching for a draft pick in the first round. The defensive line talent that will be available when we draft will not even unseat the players who we have  on our current roster.

[stwasm]

Well, it's confirmed! This team is run by jackasses! We're going to -- once again -- sacrifice high draft picks for the future to acquire some me-first clown who has the potential to do just as much damage in the locker room with his attitude as he can to opposing secondaries. We lose out on a chance to get a blue-chip pass-rusher who could take pressure off Andre Carter for someone who, while adding a weapon for the offense, takes away from our ability to build much-needed depth. It's been proven time and time again that the win-now approach doesn't work in the NFL, yet those bozos in the FO just don't want to get it. God help us if the Bengals change their minds!

This statement is not true at all. If the Bengals would have went for this trade this would have been a perfect trade for the team. We are talking about a #21 in the first round where it seems that nothing of value is going to be there to benefit us anyway vs. an all pro receiver .

If the trade does not work out I do not think that we will be getting any "blue-chip" pass rusher with the pick anyways.


EDIT: MAN and they were talking only a conditional 3RD round pick in '09...THAT WOULD BE PERFECT!!!

Too steep a price for a certified head case.  No, thank you.  I'd rather take my chances in the draft.  The FO is more concerned with the bottom line and selling shirts.  Meantime,

http://www.bengals.com/news/news.asp?story_id=6737

Cincy Denies Any Trade Offer From Skins

Lewis also denied an ESPN report that the Bengals turned down the Redskins' offer of a first-round pick this year and potentially next for Chad Johnson.

Citing team and league sources, ESPN.com says that the Redskins offered their first-round pick, No. 21 overall this year, and a conditional third-rounder in 2009 that could escalate to a first rounder if Johnson and the Redskins hit certain performance levels,

But speaking at a Tuesday news conference for this weekend's draft, Lewis said that Bengals president "Mike Brown has not received a phone call."

The club has been adamant in not trading the disgruntled five-time Pro Bowl wide receiver and ESPN's Chris Mortensen said the Eagles and Cowboys have also been told Johnson is not on the market.

With Johnson talking retirement if the Bengals don't trade him, Lewis said, "He's a man of his word. He says he's not going to play, so don't play."

Cerrato did not comment on the trade rumor and called it hearsay.

Stwasm, I think that your problem is with Snyder and has nothing to do with Chad.

Some people will label anyone who says anything "head cases" I think that these people are unrealistic and would rather live in a soft world but it's not like that, everybody is not going to be "yes" men and live life with their mouths closed and a "possum" grin on their face.

I don't blame CJ, if I am unhappy in a situation and want to get out of it I am going to let you know rather than sit back and get "wetted" on.

Now THAT would be certifiable.

And before someone talks about a contract that he signed, I am sure that there was not a clause in the contract that stated that the Bengals was going to "wet" on CJ after it was signed and he was to like it or lump it.

But does he have to express his unhappiness the way he is through the media, going on every radio station during Super Bowl week, saying, "I want to play for this team, I want to play for that team?"  When he comes here and the winning doesn't start automatically, what's going to stop him from whining that the team isn't committed to winning?  He didn't have any problems with the Bengals when he signed that fat contract he has now.  So, why is it suddenly not good enough and he needs a new one?  Again, who's to say the same scenario won't happen here?  To me, he's more trouble than he's worth and what we'd have to give up to get him would hurt us in the long run.  Acquiring him at that price is a win-now, fantasy-football move -- something this organization has tried to do since the turn of the century, netting very little in the way of results.  For every Redskin who says Chad is such a great guy, there are just as many who don't like his personality.  I think he'd be a divisive force in the locker room and we just don't need that.

Chad Johnson for a 21st pick and a 3rd rounder in the following year which we could probably get back before then is definitely not a fantasy football move.

Also, I think that most of what you state is assumptions and has no merit whatsoever... IF this happpens...IF that happens...Some of the players may not like him...He may divide the locker room..., instead of understanding the fact that getting CJ would improve our WR position and our football team as a whole immmensly, and we would have 8 more draft picks which would include a 2nd rounder and two 3rds to work on other positions.

Mike, here's my point.  It's been proven that bringing in "superstars" doesn't win championships in the NFL.  We've been doing this since 2000 and it's netted us a grand total of one playoff win.  If we draft wisely, groom our OWN talent and build from within, with some patience, this team can become a consistent winner, on par with the New Englands, Indianapolises and Pittsburghs of the world, who, by the way, have enjoyed sustained success by not going "buck-wild" in free agency every year.  The New York Giants had ALL of their 2007 draft picks playing and contributed solidly during their Super Bowl run. 

Chad Johnson may be an elite receiver and may help the offense, but I seem to recall the defense losing some winnable games (New York Giants, Philadelphia, Green Bay, Dallas, Buffalo) after giving up big plays because of no consistent pash rush and mistakes in the secondary.  How exactly does adding a wide receiver address the glaring needs on defense?

Stwasm, I understand where you are going but we have not landed any superstar. What he did in the past was make some atrocious FA signings by reaching for a player's  with "potential" (Adam Archuletta, Brandon Lloyd, ARE, David Patten) rather than player's who's worth was proven. Even in Snyder's first year when he picked up Sanders, Smith and Reed, their superstar days was well over with.

I also see where you are going with the draft picks but I think that you are blocking some things out and failing to evaluate where we are picking in the draft and the players who are going to be there when we do pick. I would be on board with you if we were in position to get a player like Julius Pepper and Kevin Williams, a few years ago or Mario Williams a couple of years ago or even Okoye lasy year but where we are drafting now is not going to net us a player of that caliber so signing CJ would be much more feasible than reaching for a draft pick in the first round. The defensive line talent that will be available when we draft will not even unseat the players who we have already available on our roster.

But, with all his talent, he hasn't carried Cincinnati over the top.  What makes you think he can do it here?  I also worry that his attitude will divide the locker room.  We'd be giving up two potential, long-term starters for one, who may not even be around that long.  There's just too much risk here.

[Mike Bass]

Well, it's confirmed! This team is run by jackasses! We're going to -- once again -- sacrifice high draft picks for the future to acquire some me-first clown who has the potential to do just as much damage in the locker room with his attitude as he can to opposing secondaries. We lose out on a chance to get a blue-chip pass-rusher who could take pressure off Andre Carter for someone who, while adding a weapon for the offense, takes away from our ability to build much-needed depth. It's been proven time and time again that the win-now approach doesn't work in the NFL, yet those bozos in the FO just don't want to get it. God help us if the Bengals change their minds!

This statement is not true at all. If the Bengals would have went for this trade this would have been a perfect trade for the team. We are talking about a #21 in the first round where it seems that nothing of value is going to be there to benefit us anyway vs. an all pro receiver .

If the trade does not work out I do not think that we will be getting any "blue-chip" pass rusher with the pick anyways.


EDIT: MAN and they were talking only a conditional 3RD round pick in '09...THAT WOULD BE PERFECT!!!

Too steep a price for a certified head case.  No, thank you.  I'd rather take my chances in the draft.  The FO is more concerned with the bottom line and selling shirts.  Meantime,

http://www.bengals.com/news/news.asp?story_id=6737

Cincy Denies Any Trade Offer From Skins

Lewis also denied an ESPN report that the Bengals turned down the Redskins' offer of a first-round pick this year and potentially next for Chad Johnson.

Citing team and league sources, ESPN.com says that the Redskins offered their first-round pick, No. 21 overall this year, and a conditional third-rounder in 2009 that could escalate to a first rounder if Johnson and the Redskins hit certain performance levels,

But speaking at a Tuesday news conference for this weekend's draft, Lewis said that Bengals president "Mike Brown has not received a phone call."

The club has been adamant in not trading the disgruntled five-time Pro Bowl wide receiver and ESPN's Chris Mortensen said the Eagles and Cowboys have also been told Johnson is not on the market.

With Johnson talking retirement if the Bengals don't trade him, Lewis said, "He's a man of his word. He says he's not going to play, so don't play."

Cerrato did not comment on the trade rumor and called it hearsay.

Stwasm, I think that your problem is with Snyder and has nothing to do with Chad.

Some people will label anyone who says anything "head cases" I think that these people are unrealistic and would rather live in a soft world but it's not like that, everybody is not going to be "yes" men and live life with their mouths closed and a "possum" grin on their face.

I don't blame CJ, if I am unhappy in a situation and want to get out of it I am going to let you know rather than sit back and get "wetted" on.

Now THAT would be certifiable.

And before someone talks about a contract that he signed, I am sure that there was not a clause in the contract that stated that the Bengals was going to "wet" on CJ after it was signed and he was to like it or lump it.

But does he have to express his unhappiness the way he is through the media, going on every radio station during Super Bowl week, saying, "I want to play for this team, I want to play for that team?"  When he comes here and the winning doesn't start automatically, what's going to stop him from whining that the team isn't committed to winning?  He didn't have any problems with the Bengals when he signed that fat contract he has now.  So, why is it suddenly not good enough and he needs a new one?  Again, who's to say the same scenario won't happen here?  To me, he's more trouble than he's worth and what we'd have to give up to get him would hurt us in the long run.  Acquiring him at that price is a win-now, fantasy-football move -- something this organization has tried to do since the turn of the century, netting very little in the way of results.  For every Redskin who says Chad is such a great guy, there are just as many who don't like his personality.  I think he'd be a divisive force in the locker room and we just don't need that.

Chad Johnson for a 21st pick and a 3rd rounder in the following year which we could probably get back before then is definitely not a fantasy football move.

Also, I think that most of what you state is assumptions and has no merit whatsoever... IF this happpens...IF that happens...Some of the players may not like him...He may divide the locker room..., instead of understanding the fact that getting CJ would improve our WR position and our football team as a whole immmensly, and we would have 8 more draft picks which would include a 2nd rounder and two 3rds to work on other positions.

Mike, here's my point.  It's been proven that bringing in "superstars" doesn't win championships in the NFL.  We've been doing this since 2000 and it's netted us a grand total of one playoff win.  If we draft wisely, groom our OWN talent and build from within, with some patience, this team can become a consistent winner, on par with the New Englands, Indianapolises and Pittsburghs of the world, who, by the way, have enjoyed sustained success by not going "buck-wild" in free agency every year.  The New York Giants had ALL of their 2007 draft picks playing and contributed solidly during their Super Bowl run. 

Chad Johnson may be an elite receiver and may help the offense, but I seem to recall the defense losing some winnable games (New York Giants, Philadelphia, Green Bay, Dallas, Buffalo) after giving up big plays because of no consistent pash rush and mistakes in the secondary.  How exactly does adding a wide receiver address the glaring needs on defense?

Stwasm, I understand where you are going but we have not landed any superstar. What we did in the past was make some atrocious FA signings by reaching for a player's  with "potential" (Adam Archuletta, Brandon Lloyd, ARE, David Patten) rather than player's who's worth was proven. Even in Snyder's first year when he picked up Sanders, Smith and Reed, their superstar days was well over with.

I also see where you are going with the draft picks but I think that you are blocking some things out and failing to evaluate where we are picking in the draft and the players who are going to be there when we do pick. I would be on board with you if we were in position to get a player like Julius Pepper and Kevin Williams, a few years ago or Mario Williams a couple of years ago or even Okoye lasy year but where we are drafting now is not going to net us a player of that caliber so signing CJ would be much more feasible than reaching for a draft pick in the first round. The defensive line talent that will be available when we draft will not even unseat the players who we have already available on our roster.

But, with all his talent, he hasn't carried Cincinnati over the top.  What makes you think he can do it here?  I also worry that his attitude will divide the locker room.  We'd be giving up two potential, long-term starters for one, who may not even be around that long.  There's just too much risk here.

LMAO!!!...

[Bzapf]

stwasm- please look into the magic crystal ball that you have at your home and tell me how we are going to solve our WR problem. And No Jordy Nelson does not solve the problem.

[Mike Bass]

No Jordy Nelson does not solve the problem.

I agree, Jordy is a good project for a team with a receiver situation that is better than ours and has time to develop him. Although he had a good senoir season in college, he IS still learning the position after starting out as a DB.

Let me add though, I do see where Stwasm's going. He and I  just disagree on how we should get there. I do not think that the one draft pick is going to make or break this team but I do think that a player like CJ or Roy Williams would get the team closer to where we needs to be.

[Bzapf]

Sorry if I sounded harsh in the earlier post but I think you are just hating on on Snyder and making too many assumptions.

the points I really disgree with-

He is not a good teamate
He will become a team cancer.
He can't produce SB's
A player we draft will be a long time starter